Petition for trespass

chris_suffolk
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Petition for trespass

Postby chris_suffolk » 24 Aug 2020, 6:31pm

Petition against making trespass a criminal offence

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300139/

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby landsurfer » 24 Aug 2020, 7:31pm

As long as landowners / Land users, have full protection against people wandering into a field full of animals that may harm them ....?

Until you've had your tent stomped by young deer you've not lived ..... :lol:
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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Mick F » 24 Aug 2020, 7:37pm

Anyone coming on our land without permission will be shot on sight.
Mick F. Cornwall

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Tangled Metal » 24 Aug 2020, 8:54pm

Mick F wrote:Anyone coming on our land without permission will be shot on sight.

On another thread about the book of trespass I believe you said you didn't mind if people walked through your land, or something like that. Have you had a change of heart?

Sorry but I remember the most useless things at times.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Traction_man » 26 Aug 2020, 11:43am

chris_suffolk wrote:Petition against making trespass a criminal offence

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300139/


now 101,442 signatures...

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby ChrisButch » 26 Aug 2020, 8:46pm

Tangled Metal wrote:
Mick F wrote:Anyone coming on our land without permission will be shot on sight.

On another thread about the book of trespass I believe you said you didn't mind if people walked through your land, or something like that. Have you had a change of heart?

Sorry but I remember the most useless things at times.


The two are not mutually incompatible. Maybe MickF welcomes people walking on his land because of the target practice.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Traction_man » 27 Aug 2020, 4:42pm

interesting to see the geography of the petitioners on this...

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.c ... ion=300139

Highest response rates in Wales, West Country, South Pennines, and southern Lake District.

cheers,

Keith

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby chris_suffolk » 27 Aug 2020, 5:06pm

Traction_man wrote:interesting to see the geography of the petitioners on this...

https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.c ... ion=300139

Highest response rates in Wales, West Country, South Pennines, and southern Lake District.

cheers,

Keith


Perhaps because that's where people wild camp the most, and will now face criminal prosecution - just a thought

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Bonefishblues » 27 Aug 2020, 5:10pm

It's the classic case of badly-drafted legislation. The government's intent/target is clear from its response, but the law of unintended consequences applies.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Labrat » 27 Aug 2020, 6:50pm

Bonefishblues wrote:It's the classic case of badly-drafted legislation.


Legislation hasn't yet been drafted

It's just more people running around extrapolating one thing into another, whipping themselves into a frenzy and getting everyones kickers in a twist.

I do wish someone had told them the story of the little boy who cried Wolf.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Bonefishblues » 27 Aug 2020, 7:01pm

Labrat wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:It's the classic case of badly-drafted legislation.


Legislation hasn't yet been drafted

It's just more people running around extrapolating one thing into another, whipping themselves into a frenzy and getting everyones kickers in a twist.

I do wish someone had told them the story of the little boy who cried Wolf.

Fair comment, thanks for the clarification - but we are right to be alert, I think.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Jdsk » 27 Aug 2020, 7:04pm

As the petition says it's in the Conservative Party's election manifesto:
"We will make intentional trespass a criminal offence... "
https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

Why should campaigning wait for the draft legislation?

Jonathan

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Bonefishblues » 27 Aug 2020, 7:48pm

Jdsk wrote:As the petition says it's in the Conservative Party's election manifesto:
"We will make intentional trespass a criminal offence... "
https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

Why should campaigning wait for the draft legislation?

Jonathan

The addendum that I read does clearly limit it to the intent to stop traveller encampments springing up on private land, such that they have to be injuncted off it - in future the police could become involved. If the law confines itself to that, all good, if not, then a significant issue.

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Re: Petition for trespass

Postby Labrat » 27 Aug 2020, 10:00pm

Jdsk wrote:"We will make intentional trespass a criminal offence... "



Context

If that comment was unties to anything else then there may be an issue, but it wasn’t.

It was prefaced by the comment “ We will tackle unauthorised traveller camps. We will give the police new powers to arrest and seize the property and vehicles of trespassers who set up unauthorised encampments, in order to protect our communities.”

It was also in the context of a 2018 consultation on the effectiveness of enforcement against unauthorised developments and encampments, with a 39 page government response here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... sponse.pdf

A letter from the Home Secretary that announced a plan that: Extended police powers to tackle trespassers

The Government will consult on proposals to amend the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 to:

“Considering a new criminal trespass offence

The Home Office will conduct a review that will consider whether it should criminalise the act of trespassing when setting up an encampment. This will consider the financial and operational impacts that new legislation would have, investigate the effectiveness of similar legislation in Ireland and consider how such a power could work in practice. This could act as a real deterrent to such activity in the future, and it is therefore right that this option is explored fully.”

And then followed by a further consultation published in November 2019 Setting out proposals here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _paper.pdf


Throughout which it was perfectly clear that proposals were limited to unauthorised encampments.

So, yes, you could take the view that the comment in the manifesto operated in a vacuum, then it could mean one thing, but if people actually followed the development of it, and Interpreted it within the context of everything else that had led to that point, then it was much clearer. Particularly since the actual consultation was very clear about what it extended to.

But, if You’re and old fashioned partisan politics rabble rouser and see the benefit in running around riling up the lefties about the ‘threat’ of a tory government in order to enhance your new book sales...then it’s money for old rope really.