Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?

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prestavalve wrote: 30 Oct 2021, 6:22pm
Bmblbzzz wrote: 30 Oct 2021, 6:01pm But the directly elected mayor also has to account for their actions to the electorate every four years, and this might hold them back.
A "come-at-able" (Bagehot) authority is always preferable to a committee when it comes to getting things done.
Though a single point of authority is hardly come-at-able.

Still, never mind the politics, here's the LTNs!
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East Oxford LTN scheme approved:
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19788 ... -approved/

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The word "traffic" now seems to be used synonymously with motor vehicles, disregarding other traffic, which I think doesn't help.
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Jdsk wrote: 16 Dec 2021, 3:48pm East Oxford LTN scheme approved:
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19788 ... -approved/

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Lets hope they do it properly and don't create cul-de-sacs that don't have an adequate turning area at the far end. That's what we have in a few streets I know in my own region where through traffic has been blocked by bollarding. You get delivery vehicles having to reverse 200 metres to exit after a delivery. And folk who don't use the car much do tend to rely on deliveries. Apart from that, it sounds good. Certainly, for anyone living on the streets involved.
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Bmblbzzz wrote: 30 Oct 2021, 6:01pm But the directly elected mayor also has to account for their actions to the electorate every four years, and this might hold them back. And of course they are politicians, probably more so than councillors, with all the promises that entails.
Well the current one's been holding back Bristol on transport for 6 years now. The promised liveable neighbourhood strategy recently got punted thoroughly into the long grass and we now have a bus fanboy in charge of transport :roll:
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Results from Newham and Waltham Forest.
https://pclengagement-hub.co.uk/en-GB/f ... hbourhoods

I've only had a quick glance at the two page summary so far.

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Looks mostly positive. I presume the changes in bus journey times are related to the changes in traffic volume on boundary roads – interesting that each area has behaved differently in this aspect.
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I'd query the statistical significance of the bus JT changes as well, may well be perfectly within margin of error (both ways)
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It seems small but as there are three fields with "no significant change" and one with "slight improvement" (as well as two with the vague "fewer injuries") I assume it's been considered as significant in the context.
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This news story from Bridgend seems to me to relate to this topic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60145268

It is people taking control of their own cul-de-sac twice a day to prevent it being overwhelmed with turning school run cars that can no longer use a relatively new dropping off facility outside a new school. The council decided the dropping off facility has been having dangerous situations, so they have closed it and thus put those situations onto a nearby cul-de-sac.

You can see the layout here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lon+D ... 9?hl=en-GB

The street that the residents barricade is Lon Derw, and the closed drop-off facility is the race-track looking thing to the right. Unfortunately this street and school are too new to be on Streetview.
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Treating the symptoms not the cause.
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Bmblbzzz wrote: 12 Jan 2022, 11:17am Looks mostly positive.
A lot more positive than the Public Inquiry into the Camden cycle path, and a lot cheaper, too.
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pwa wrote: 28 Jan 2022, 6:27am This news story from Bridgend seems to me to relate to this topic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60145268

It is people taking control of their own cul-de-sac twice a day to prevent it being overwhelmed with turning school run cars that can no longer use a relatively new dropping off facility outside a new school. The council decided the dropping off facility has been having dangerous situations, so they have closed it and thus put those situations onto a nearby cul-de-sac.

You can see the layout here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lon+D ... 9?hl=en-GB

The street that the residents barricade is Lon Derw, and the closed drop-off facility is the race-track looking thing to the right. Unfortunately this street and school are too new to be on Streetview.
I can't comment on that example, but speaking generally, residents tend to want all traffic and associated parking banned, except for their own vehicles and visitors. ie Not a low traffic neighbourhood but rather an only my traffic neighbourhood
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thirdcrank wrote: 28 Jan 2022, 12:34pm I can't comment on that example, but speaking generally, residents tend to want all traffic and associated parking banned, except for their own vehicles and visitors. ie Not a low traffic neighbourhood but rather an only my traffic neighbourhood
And what's wrong with that? Neighbouring countries are littered with zones bounded by O signs (no vehicles) with "sauf riverains et velos" (except residents and cycles) below. Others achieve the same by clever use of one-way streets. It seems to be a particularly British demand to be allowed to spew exhaust fumes into other people's homes in futile attempts to avoid queues on major through routes.

So far, I think we've only managed to achieve this with no-motors-except-access signs on a few narrow medieval streets like https://showmystreet.com/#ven1g_8hui_78.9_-6g43 where the heritage argument was more compelling than the cycling one, else it would be two-way for cycling, bypassing a dodgy junction to the north.
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Nothing wrong with it at all, just so long as the people involved don't expect to park their own 4x4s in the reception of their own children's school. That's if the policy is traffic reduction overall, rather than avoiding inconveniencing residents.

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PS Forgot to say, part of what I'm saying is shown by the frequent objections of residents to any sort of provision for cyclists on "their" street
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