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If the MPs are doing their job properly
Hmmm...
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simonineaston wrote:
If the MPs are doing their job properly
Hmmm...

They are doing their job right by playing the tune for those who pay the piper.....
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craggie wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/21/climate-science-deniers-to-give-road-safety-evidence-to-mps

A car pressure group I'd never hear of wants higher speed limits and fewer cycle lanes and 'which says it represents mainstream views but accepts its membership is “tiny” as a proportion of drivers.' In that case why are they being taken seriously and should we be worried?


Using that to attack their views is very much a two edged sword. Cycling UK membership is a tiny proportion of cyclists. Most campaigning groups are a tiny proportion of the people they campaign for.
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Whatever the reaction of the Transport Select Committee Grant Schapps, is dancing to this group's tune.
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thirdcrank wrote:Whatever the reaction of the Transport Select Committee Grant Schapps, is dancing to this group's tune.

Select Committees are one of the few bright lights in the Westminster system.

Yes, secret access to Ministers and the crony system and the revolving door are a disgrace. One of the few defences, and it isn't very strong, is Ministers' accountability to Select Committees.

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An another thread recently, there was a link to an article (last Sunday's Sunday T?) in which the Sec of State was backtracking on the promotion of cycling and walking announced early in the pandemic. Cash for pop-up cycle lanes etc.

The article's behind a paywall and my paper is the bin but going from memory he said something along the lines of "Nobody should doubt that we support the motorist" and none of us do doubt that. It's policies to promote cycling and walking that are doubtful. IMO.
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thirdcrank wrote:An another thread recently, there was a link to an article (last Sunday's Sunday T?) in which the Sec of State was backtracking on the promotion of cycling and walking announced early in the pandemic. Cash for pop-up cycle lanes etc.

The article's behind a paywall and my paper is the bin but going from memory he said something along the lines of "Nobody should doubt that we support the motorist" and none of us do doubt that. It's policies to promote cycling and walking that are doubtful. IMO.


Only to be expected from a right wing populist government.
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thirdcrank wrote:An another thread recently, there was a link to an article (last Sunday's Sunday T?) in which the Sec of State was backtracking on the promotion of cycling and walking announced early in the pandemic. Cash for pop-up cycle lanes etc.

The article's behind a paywall and my paper is the bin but going from memory he said something along the lines of "Nobody should doubt that we support the motorist" and none of us do doubt that. It's policies to promote cycling and walking that are doubtful. IMO.

Your memory is intact... about the quote. : - )

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=141750&p=1540519&hilit=telegraph#p1540519
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/17/transport-secretary-admits-new-cycle-lanes-leaving-roads-backed/

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pete75 wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:An another thread recently, there was a link to an article (last Sunday's Sunday T?) in which the Sec of State was backtracking on the promotion of cycling and walking announced early in the pandemic. Cash for pop-up cycle lanes etc.

The article's behind a paywall and my paper is the bin but going from memory he said something along the lines of "Nobody should doubt that we support the motorist" and none of us do doubt that. It's policies to promote cycling and walking that are doubtful. IMO.


Only to be expected from a right wing populist government.

And on and on it goes......
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pete75 wrote: ... Only to be expected from a right wing populist government.


Spot on. Over two decades ago, New Labour swept to power with promises - later described as aspirations - to promote integrated transport/ cycling / walking which came to little through fear of upsetting motorists.
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pete75 wrote:
craggie wrote:A car pressure group I'd never hear of wants higher speed limits and fewer cycle lanes and 'which says it represents mainstream views but accepts its membership is “tiny” as a proportion of drivers.' In that case why are they being taken seriously and should we be worried?

Using that to attack their views is very much a two edged sword. Cycling UK membership is a tiny proportion of cyclists. Most campaigning groups are a tiny proportion of the people they campaign for.

Exactly. Doesn't the Burns/Orwell test work well?

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IIUC the inquiry is "Young and novice drivers" and you can see the full list of who gave evidence by clicking into each session:
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/146/young-and-novice-drivers
and last year's evidence at:
https://old.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/transport-committee/inquiries/parliament-2017/road-safety-young-novice-drivers-17-19/publications/

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Leftist surely? Selfish and only wanting their own view point.
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Jdsk wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:
Jdsk wrote:This forum has a high-posting small group of people who ride bikes who take extreme fundamentalist positions on some recurrent themes. The techniques they use are very similar to those of some extreme protagonists of cars and driving: hyperbole, cod statistics, tribal arguments etc.

There are a lot of realists on these fora, including me, I believe

I'm sure that ABD and many of its members think of themselves as realists too.

That's precisely the point *I was trying to make. Thanks for illustrating it so clearly.
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Cyril Haearn wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:There are a lot of realists on these fora, including me, I believe

I'm sure that ABD and many of its members think of themselves as realists too.

That's precisely the point I was trying to make. Thanks for illustrating it so clearly.

Wrong again

Which bit is wrong, please?

Thanks

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