Pedestrian casualties higher among BAME people and in poor areas – study

merseymouth
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Hi again Capped Out, I do believe one major contributor in the increase in pedestrian casualties must be that personal comforter, ever present -The Mobile Phone!
Even when walking on pavements one is regular confronted by negligence bordering on attempted suicide! Head down, ear blocked, minimal awareness as to the dangers either faced or posed?
Of course one may meet the "Super Variant", that individual wearing the pods, texting blindly, whilst riding their bike on the pavement! :twisted: I've met the type :roll:
Sure we want safer streets, so speeds do need to be kept in check, but signs & vehicle damaging infrastructure is not the answer, catching and punishing the offenders is of prime importance.
Just set aside some time to watch the behaviour of different types of vehicles & driver in humped areas? The road that wrecks a car such as a Moggie Minor won't trouble the latest SUV/Chelsea Tractor, so the speed difference is quite marked. Careful lawfully compliant drivers get tail-gated by the moron!
Cameras, Cameras, Cameras, all linked to computer ticketing. Find Em, Book Em, Ban Em! Simples. MM

* P.S. As a 7 year-old I was certainly a pedestrian casualty, got run over by cyclists as I crossed the road! Cause? Well the doctor at the local eye hospital was at the root of that issue, she told my mother "He has a lazy eye"! So she stuck a large plaster over my dominant eye to "Make him use the other one". Big mistake, what I really had was a severely scared area around the retinal zone, no central vision! These days I can view the images taken by by specialists.
Pete Owens
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merseymouth wrote: 22 May 2021, 8:14am Hi again Capped Out, I do believe one major contributor in the increase in pedestrian casualties must be that personal comforter, ever present -The Mobile Phone!
Yes we certainly need to take stronger action against drivers using phones.
ClappedOut
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Nobody denied reduction of pedestrian casualties is a good thing, but it doesn't explain contributing factors.
Education
Mobile phone use

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Etc

List goes on
merseymouth
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Hi Pete, I was specifically talking about foot traffic types, not those controlling a vehicle. But yes, all who are in control of a vehicle of any kind should avoid the ruddy phone!
On a connected issue there are far too many distractions due to the technological age, who needs to surf the web whilst driving? Yet car makers brag about such a facility????? Asinine :twisted: . IGICB MM
Mike Sales
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ClappedOut wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:13am Nobody denied reduction of pedestrian casualties is a good thing, but it doesn't explain contributing factors.
Education
Mobile phone use

Etc
Etc

List goes on
Classic victim blaming.
Can you add more blame factors, not vague etcs?
Evidence that poor, black and brown pedestrians are more prone to phone use or are less often told that motor vehicles can kill?
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
ClappedOut
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Mike Sales wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:30am
ClappedOut wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:13am Nobody denied reduction of pedestrian casualties is a good thing, but it doesn't explain contributing factors.
Education
Mobile phone use

Etc
Etc

List goes on
Classic victim blaming.
Can you add more blame factors, not vague etcs?
Evidence that poor, black and brown pedestrians are more prone to phone use or are less often told that motor vehicles can kill?
Classic agenda, do we know if the pedestrians were using phones or earphones or were the drivers using mobile phones, driving road worthy cars insured and not drug driving- simply not enough data.

Victims are a terrible thing but in any circumstances there are completely blameless victims and victims contributed to the cause of the accident, simply the data says more BAME pedestrian casualties- but critically leaves out important data.

Locally lots of holiday makers get run over and rescued from the mud on beach, reason being they don’t look as crossing road and don’t read warning signs- these are contributing factors.
Mike Sales
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I will take that as a no.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
ANTONISH
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I think this analysis needs to incorporate an age breakdown.
My thinking is that wealthier people may also be older and unlikely to spend as much time walking or cycling.
Ethnic minorities may well be a younger demographic and be more likely to be out and about in the hours of darkness.
In poor areas there may well be elderly ethnic white British who spend more time inside at night or even during the day.
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Jdsk wrote: 22 May 2021, 12:12am In that case I'd suggest ignoring the newspaper coverage and reading the report.

Jonathan
I tried the report but give up at the BLM in the forward.
Pete Owens wrote: 22 May 2021, 2:08am So is it the concept of making the roads safer that you hate so much? Or does the fact that making the roads safer will benefit benefit poor people offend your conservative principles?
I would love the roads to be safer for all and something that I actually campaign for. Yes I acknowledge that poorer areas may well be more dangerous but think it is just ludicrous and totally unhelpful to play the race card
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This really just follows the similar assessment of those most affected by air pollution.

They sort of seem to touch on that with car ownership but I think miss the most obvious point which is where those deprived areas are.

White deprived is characterised by forgotten suburbs of cities and towns where car ownership is easier, cheaper and more necessary. The neighbourhoods are already 'low traffic' as the housing is post war and side roads are cul-de-sacs or wiggly detours, though many lack the walk/cycle only paths providing superior permeability for those modes, hence the higher car dependency.

Meanwhile bame deprived is inner city turn of the century stock. High traffic, narrow pavements clogged with cars & bins. Car ownership is more physically and/or financially restricted and walking/cycling to services and jobs is far more viable (if unpleasant and hazardous).

The conclusion, to focus LTNs on these areas first, is good in theory but politics may well get in the way in many areas.
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Mike Sales
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Re: Pedestrian casualties higher among BAME people and in poor areas – study

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Pebble wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:51am Yes I acknowledge that poorer areas may well be more dangerous but think it is just ludicrous and totally unhelpful to play the race card
All knowledge can be useful.
In this case the excessive air pollution in poorer areas may well tie in with the high Covid mortality suffered by BAME people.
"Play the race card" is a phrase that has certain implications of its own.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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... Car ownership is strongly correlated to affluence. ...
While that is self-evident, it seems to be a red herring here. And this is why I say that:-
.... This really just follows the similar assessment of those most affected by air pollution. ...
ie The problem here is the extent of traffic, not who owns the vehicles, which may be buses, trucks, vans, cars and motorbikes.
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The report is pointing out in statistical terms what has long been clear; that people living in poorer areas are more at risk of injury and death from motor vehicles. There are lots of reasons for this, from the greater prevalence of walking (and cycling) to social attitudes to police enforcement patterns, hopefully the report might help untangle these. We also know that people from ethnic minorities are more likely to be poor and live in deprived neighbourhoods that white people. Those posters fixating on the race aspect and claiming the report was produced to an agenda would seem to have their own agenda.
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merseymouth wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:26am Hi Pete, I was specifically talking about foot traffic types, not those controlling a vehicle.
Yes - I do realise you were victim blaming.
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ANTONISH wrote: 22 May 2021, 11:50am I think this analysis needs to incorporate an age breakdown.
My thinking is that wealthier people may also be older and unlikely to spend as much time walking or cycling.
Certainly wealthier people are more likely to have access to a motor vehicle - so will tend to be the perpetrators rather than the victims.
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