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Jdsk wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 11:27am
simonhill wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 11:26am What worries me is that us cyclists may 'acquire' new regulations as a side effect of controlling electric scooters.
Agreed.

Jonathan
And again. A back-door route stopping any major increase in cycling as a transport mode rather than recreational luxury.

Cycling/cyclists do very little for the economy. Pay lip service, make sure doesn't actually impact on the private car market.
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djnotts wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 11:38am Cycling/cyclists do very little for the economy.
That's not true. See https://www.cyclinguk.org/campaigning/v ... nd-economy - just the Cycle to Work Scheme generates at least £72m a year, while on the touring side, mountain biking and leisure cycle tourism contributes about £300m a year to the economy in Scotland alone.
djnotts wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 11:38am Pay lip service, make sure doesn't actually impact on the private car market.
Time will tell.
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... and that's before you count all the indirect costs of motoring, which are reduced every time someone rides to work/shops/beauty-spot.

(e..g. healthcare, post-accident wipe-up ... )
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All small beer and the tourism element is "recreational" rather than utilitarian.

"An alternative view of our favourite pastime 🤔😀

The bicycle is the slow death of our planet

The CEO of Euro-Exim Bank Ltd. got economists thinking when he said:

"A cyclist is a disaster for the country's economy: he doesn't buy cars and doesn't borrow money to buy it. He does not pay insurance policies. Does not buy fuel, no costs related to maintenance and repair. He does not use paid parking. The cyclist does not cause serious accidents. No multi-lane highways required. They don't get fat."

"Healthy people are neither necessary nor useful to the economy. They do not buy medicines. They do not go to hospitals or doctors. They add nothing to the country's GDP."

On the contrary, each new McDonald outlet creates at least 30 jobs, since they work 10 cardiologists, 10 dentists, 10 dietitians and nutritionists, and of course the people who work in the store".

Choose carefully: cycling or Mc Donald? It's worth thinking about.

PS: Walking is even worse. Pedestrians don't even buy a bicycle.
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djnotts wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 12:50pm All small beer and the tourism element is "recreational" rather than utilitarian.
A vast proportion of driving is purely recreational, so ... so what?
djnotts wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 12:50pm
"An alternative view of our favourite pastime 🤔😀
Please, no more!!! I think R4, Mr Loophole et al have reminded us of the many "alternative" views available.

M

p.s. did someone upthread really suggest that numbered TABARDS would be less bad than reg plates??
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The human animal is totally screwed. Because we're just mentally developed enough to conceptulise ideas and to formulate/express arguements that can be used to persuade other members of the group to adopt the proposer's point of view, the driving forces being those two key ways our brain works - optimism & opportunism. Thus any given group is beset by a range of proposals, at the expense of simple choices that ensure survival.
We will never collaborate in time to avert disaster - anyone who thinks otherwise is not facing the stark reality... I still think bicycles are a neat idea, though. The only guys who seem to have got it right are so-called indiginous or aboriginal populations - they must be ruddy livid!! I don't think they use bikes, tho... kayaks, maybe
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simonineaston wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 1:22pm The only guys who seem to have got it right are so-called indiginous or aboriginal populations - they must be ruddy livid!! I don't think they use bikes, tho... kayaks, maybe
That's only because they haven't discovered Strava yet.
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mattheus wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 1:14pm [

p.s. did someone upthread really suggest that numbered TABARDS would be less bad than reg plates??
No. They kindly pointed out for the benefit of those of us who were commenting without having heard the programme that that was proposal discussed - not plates.
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thirdcrank wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 2:35pm
mattheus wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 1:14pm [

p.s. did someone upthread really suggest that numbered TABARDS would be less bad than reg plates??
No. They kindly pointed out for the benefit of those of us who were commenting without having heard the programme that that was proposal discussed - not plates.
AH, then I guess that was very helpful. :-)

Anyone think that TABARDS would be a good thing? Or better/worse than reg. plates? Anyone know why Japan opted for stickers instead of tabards?
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Isn't the Japanese scheme to prevent bikes being parked in inappropriate places rather than identifying traffic offences?
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Isn't the purpose of the Japanese scheme, as with most registration systems, to counter theft rather than to regulate use on roads?

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@Jdsk Great minds and all that.
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mattheus wrote: 17 Jun 2021, 3:04pm

Anyone think that TABARDS would be a good thing? Or better/worse than reg. plates? Anyone know why Japan opted for stickers instead of tabards?
As far as I can see the Japanese sticker is a small thing which could not be read on a moving bike. It looks as if it is to establish ownership in case of theft, not for catching those terrible scofflaw cyclists who kill so many pedestrians.
To me a tabard would be even worse than a plate. Perhaps that is why Freeman suggests it.
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"Anyone think that TABARDS would be a good thing? Or better/worse than reg. plates? Anyone know why Japan opted for stickers instead of tabards?"

Better than reg plates for sure, especially for those with more than 1bike. Cheaper to administer (and thus lower cost to cycle(s) owner).

Also, as is often pointed out re cars, it's the rider/driver that causes injury etc, not the bike/car.
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I believe the whole social system in Japan is different to the UK. Perhaps somebody with recent first-hand experience might comment.

Some years ago I saw a TV documentary which I believed was realistic. One thing it showed was a new family moving into a neighbourhood. They were visited by a pair of local policemen who took all their details and went on to make an inventory of all their possessions, including serial numbers and all the rest of it. This type of thing, of which there were other examples meant, for example that burglaries were virtually unknown, partly because anybody not registered with the local police found it hard moving around and if they did manage to steal something, they could neither keep it nor sell it. There was a sort of police kiosk on every corner, where people reported their coming and going. A different world.
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