Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

Steady rider
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Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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Starting a clean approach to a petition and providing supportive evidence. Previous info provided at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=128000

A petition asking for a public inquiry into the plans for a Category C mega prison at Full Sutton.

The planned prison has several serious problems that will be harmful to the environment.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/597149

The petition mentions it will likely result in about 20,000 miles of driving per day.

It will be harmful to the area with the massive visual impact of 6 houseblocks each about 14-16m high profile and 70m wide.

The whole process of local authorities dealing with major prison plans has resulted in many issues and the public and planning committee members are left with thousands of pages of documents that often require specialist knowledge to appreciate fully. The planning committee members may have little idea or what is desirable in the design, location and size of a prison. A public inquiry is needed to properly assess the merits and hear from many objectors.
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I suppose without the high fences you would have escapees taking washing off the line, stealing push-bikes in a bid for freedom.New builds are one good reason to live in inner-city areas and not on rural flange.
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Re: Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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Screenshot 2021-09-26 at 15.30.21.png

Shouldn't that be "into"?

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Re: Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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The public inquiry would remove all walls and lay on free buses to train station.
Steady rider
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Re: Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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Yes it needs changing to 'into', hopefully it should be corrected before too long.
The reasons listed are;
A public inquiry is needed because:
1) In total, about 1000 trips per day are expected from staff and visitors that may result in about 20,000 miles of driving per day, no Environmental Impact Assessment was provided.
2) Serious disputes have occurred regarding claims made in support of the prison plans.
3) The size and scale have resulted in thousands of pages of information/opinions, a public inquiry is therefore needed to consider it properly.
4) The prison plans may be harmful to the community due to extra delays for emergency vehicles, increased risk to pedestrians and cyclists, 6 four-storey buildings having a major visual impact and camouflaging trees taking years to grow.
Basically it was a very poor choice of location, would in fact be harmful and a public inquiry would show this to be the case. The main problem being a public inquiry has to come from the government and it is their submission for the prison.
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Is there any precedent for a Public Enquiry being held in relation to the siting of a prison?
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cr ... ry-1755747

I am unsure about if prison plans have been subject to public inquiries, i think the Full Sutton high security had a public inquiry.

The planning system changed allowing prisons to come under the normal planning process.
The change result in local authorities planning committees deciding on a planning application. The local authority planning committee in the East Riding is mainly Conservative members, they voted in favour previously. If they voted against they would have been voting against their own governments plans and subject to peer pressure. The local MP is also Conserative so would he be well placed to fight or highlight failings/misleading aspects or incorrect statements supporting is own governments plans? The Minister for Justice could call a public inquiry into plans the MoJ have put forward, but he is under pressure to deliver policy and would he or she stay in the post?

The MoJ made misleading claims and the process was not to a suitable standard. https://stamfordbridgebypass.wordpress.com/blog/

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Steady rider
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Last week a pre planning presentation was held and on Thursday the planning approval was given subject to a higher bund and more evergreen trees. (both on youtube)
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cr ... on-3456312

The plans will likely result in about 20,000 miles of driving per day by staff and visitors, no environmental impact assessment was provided, poor show.
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Perhaps your petition might have more impact if your campaign identified who's back yard you thought was a more appropriate location for the prison and gathered signatures from the residents of that location to please build a prison in their neighbourhood.
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The shortage of prison places in the Yorkshire region relate to Leeds and Doncaster.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... sk-2506777

If they built the mega prison between Doncaster and Leeds, with a good bus service, cycle track passing by or to the prison, both visitors and staff may have traveled on average perhaps half the distance they will be driving for the Full Sutton location.

The wider discussion about location should have preceded the planning application. The MoJ and ERYC council worked together and the planning process is geared for approving and the Conservative led council followed government policy. Once in the planning process it is the application presented that is considered unless special reasons emerge, such as flooding risk.

ps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54165492
The Justice Committee in Parliament should have been open to taking submissions prior to planning and consider the distribution of prisons. They are mainly Conservative again, so don't what to question MoJ and Government policy.
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Re: Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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Steady rider wrote: 25 Sep 2021, 7:59am Starting a clean approach to a petition and providing supportive evidence. Previous info provided at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=128000

A petition asking for a public inquiry into the plans for a Category C mega prison at Full Sutton.

The planned prison has several serious problems that will be harmful to the environment.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/597149

The petition mentions it will likely result in about 20,000 miles of driving per day.

It will be harmful to the area with the massive visual impact of 6 houseblocks each about 14-16m high profile and 70m wide.

The whole process of local authorities dealing with major prison plans has resulted in many issues and the public and planning committee members are left with thousands of pages of documents that often require specialist knowledge to appreciate fully. The planning committee members may have little idea or what is desirable in the design, location and size of a prison. A public inquiry is needed to properly assess the merits and hear from many objectors.
They have to put it somewhere and where ever that somewhere is will result in it looking like a prison and people driving there, Putting it somewhere not near you will not change the environmental impact one bit.
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Re: Petition for a public inquiry into prison plans

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You are mistaken, putting it nearer to the West Riding with large urban populations, would have provided more staff available closer to a site and visitors on average travelling fewer miles.
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Steady rider wrote: 15 Nov 2021, 6:40pm You are mistaken, putting it nearer to the West Riding with large urban populations, would have provided more staff available closer to a site and visitors on average travelling fewer miles.
That would be dependent on both the staff and the visitors living in the west Riding, which they may or may not, unless you know this its impossible to make specific claims on additional mileage

I would love to see how this " average" has been worked out, I'm guessing with a lot of assumptions and very little data, but go on suprise me
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Aiui there's no such thing as a 'local' prison any more, and inmates tend to be pretty widely-dispersed without particular reference to their home location. Wherever a prison is located, it's likely that it'll generate significant travel, I guess.

Edited to remove erroneous link. I'll try to find the correct one again
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USA info in the last post.

East_Riding_of_Yorkshire - 960 sq miles - 0.6 million pop
West Yorkshire - 783 sq miles - 2.3 million pop
On average staff would likely live much closer in a West Riding prison compared with one in a rural setting in the East Riding.
https://stamfordbridgebypass.wordpress.com/blog/ shows populations. Wiki for areas.
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