mhara wrote:Si wrote:a) a good deal of comprehensive information about how we experience our daily lives - from us, not men.
Why discount the views of half the population? Surely, it would be appropriate to insert a "just" there? You seem to be shooting yourself in the foot somewhat by assuming that there is a male view and a female view and neither can understand the other...thus all women think the same? A little insulting to both sexes. There is no reason why a man cannot put forward a constructive opinion on the subject, indeed, assuming that intellegence is distributed evenly then half the men will be more intellegent than half the women Going further down this street, should your opinion, as a woman who does cycle, be taken into account, surely it is only those that don't cycle that we should ask for an opinion?
No, let's welcome the views and ideas of all rather than just discard half the population's input based soley on their sex - a bit of a Victorian atttude, eh? I'm sure that those who are going to act on the information provided will be able to sift out the wheat from the chaf.
Thus, I'd encourage everyone to air their views should they wish to, without the worry that you don't have a right to an opinion because you might be male, white, middle class, what ever.
Let's face it, like it or not, the majority of those in power are men. If you decide to exclude them from the discussion then you are doing the cause a disservice. It ain't right but it's the way the world is.
Calm down Si.
If the sentence you quote had been thus -
a) a good deal of comprehensive information about how we (as people with disabilities) experience our lives - from us, not able-bodied people
perhaps you will comprehend the intention behind the proposal?
Please don't go looking for slurs or insults when none are intended.
In my, almost always pleasant, experience of men they will give their point of view anyway and that's very much appreciated.
I'm chilled and appologise if it sounded as though I was having a go at you - wasn't my intention to sound all <Niel> HEAVY </Niel>, just making an observation and pointing out tht everyone's input was valid. F'rinstance, if we had a thread about why so few from ethnic minorities cycle (as we have in the past) then it'd be a very quiet thread if those of the country's ethnic majority didn't contribute!
BTW, I suggest adding "just" because a lot of the males on here have female partners who don't cycle - thus they have experience of the reasons why these partners have chosen not to cycle, or, indeed, experience of methods used to allow their partners to successfully experience the joys of cycling in the cases where their partners have chosen to take up cycling.
Let's face it, many (most?) cycling clubs are run by blokes. Cycling clubs are one way of getting newbies into cycling: gives them the opotunity to ride on roads in the company of those who (hopefully) know what they are doing. So, if you want to open up cycling to more women then you need to also include these crusty old club die-hards (moi ? ) in the mix and show them what they might do to make their clun runs more fun for new female riders wanting to learn about cycling, or, indeed, new riders of both sexes (or genders).