Critical Mass and the law on Radio 4 this Tuesday

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Postby JQ666 » 15 Oct 2008, 10:24pm

aesmith wrote:I find it hard to accept their claim that these rides are not organised, then see the quote ...

"Critical Mass claims to host these sort of rides in 400 cities around the world, and they had been happening without incident in London for 11 years"

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.....according to a journalist, who always quote correctly and in context!

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Postby aesmith » 16 Oct 2008, 8:30am

JQ666 wrote:
aesmith wrote:I find it hard to accept their claim that these rides are not organised, then see the quote ...

"Critical Mass claims to host these sort of rides in 400 cities around the world, and they had been happening without incident in London for 11 years"

Tony S

.....according to a journalist, who always quote correctly and in context!

True, the source for that quote not made clear. However there's a Critical Mass web site, and the times and places for these musters are published. There is some sort of organisation for sure.

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Postby Ben Lovejoy » 16 Oct 2008, 10:16am

If the rides are always same day of the month, same time and same place (as the London ride is), it could pretty easily be argued that while there may once have been someone who set the day/time/place, it is now just a customary thing and anyone can publish the details because that custom is known.

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Postby dan_b » 16 Oct 2008, 11:58am

The CM web sites last time I looked at them in any detail were all quite clear about saying "this is not an official web site, this is the personal views of someone or some people who go on CM a lot". It may be that they've changed since then, but as Ben points out the custom is pretty well entrenched now anyway.

I'm no particular fan of CM, to tell the truth, simply because I tried it once and it was tediously slow and to be honest if the goal is just to have fun cycling in London why pick Friday rush hour as a good time to do that? The absence of formal organisation means you get ad-hoc organisation, which amounts to "whoever shouts the loudest wins" and "there is no accountability of decisions made". It's the Tyranny of Structurelessness. But they're riding on public streets, and city streets are not just a way of getting from A to B, they're important social spaces - and you cannot have a sensible discussion of the merits or otherwise of holding parties for cyclists in the middle of them without considering that. There are bigger considerations than impeding traffic flow.

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Postby thirdcrank » 18 Oct 2008, 10:30pm

I don't really need a lecture on the difference between fox hunting / AKA riding to hounds and CM / AKA riding a bike with lots of others, but I found this interesting: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4965430.ece

Some parallels with the present CM case including police seeking advance info, and numbers participating said to have been increased since a ban was imposed.

(If anybody does want to give me a lecture, I should appreciate their avoiding the phrase 'perfectly legal'. :roll: )

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Postby meic » 28 Oct 2008, 11:24pm

Has there been a ruling yet?
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Postby Si » 26 Nov 2008, 2:28pm

Excellent! The Lords are good for something then.

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Postby Ben Lovejoy » 26 Nov 2008, 3:11pm

Unsurprising, but good to see all the same.

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Postby Paul Power » 26 Nov 2008, 4:27pm

great news, a real win for those oppossing Silly Laws....

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Postby Paul Power » 26 Nov 2008, 4:28pm

Si wrote:Excellent! The Lords are good for something then.


yes, but it probably only got through because most of them were either asleep or absent.

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Postby Phil_Lee » 26 Nov 2008, 7:24pm

Full text of the judgement Here on the parliament publications website.

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Postby Simon L6 » 26 Nov 2008, 8:46pm

aesmith wrote:I find it hard to accept their claim that these rides are not organised, then see the quote ...

"Critical Mass claims to host these sort of rides in 400 cities around the world, and they had been happening without incident in London for 11 years"

Tony S


trust me - the one thing they are not is organised.

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Postby 7_lives_left » 26 Nov 2008, 11:07pm

Wonderful.

It's a pity the weather forecast for Friday isn't brilliant. I wonder if this decision will encourage a bit turnout?

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Postby juice » 27 Nov 2008, 12:35am

7_lives_left wrote:Wonderful.

It's a pity the weather forecast for Friday isn't brilliant. I wonder if this decision will encourage a bit turnout?


It will be massive, wonder how the police will react?