Simon L6 wrote:niggle wrote:Si wrote:Studies such as the one mentioned may demonstrate whether or not this possibility is a real threat to the safety of the cyclists, but will not necessarily demonstrate if it is a threat to the perceived safety of the cyclist - thus deterring him/her from using that bus lane route again.
Should we ban one group of road users from a road space because of the unfounded fears of another group?
yes - although I don't accept that it is unfounded. Cyclists matter. They are the future of London's commuting. Motorcyclists are an irrelevance. They are not numerous, and the environmental benefits of motorcycling are nothing or less than nothing. If the presence of motorcyclists in bus lanes discourages people from cycling that's good enough reason to ban them. That may be unfair, but streets serve a purpose, and if motorcyclists, for whatever reason, defeat that purpose, then they're going to have to join the rest of the traffic outside of the red tarmac.
If the fears are not grounded in a measurable reality, then they are unfounded. The environmental benefits of motorcycles are variable as they are a variable type of transport: I agree that they can be damaging in the case of higher performance machines, e.g. 'sports' bikes, with poor fuel economy which are only doing about the same mpg as petrol cars and yet a car can carry twice as many or more people (though the very facts that motorcycles spend less time grinding along at slow speeds in urban traffic and cars are very often single occupancy offsets all this a bit).
However small capacity machines like scooters and mopeds do get much better economy, e.g. the Honda Innova 125, descendant of the Honda 90 step-through, achieves around 150mpg at 30mph and the congestion issue is improved as well by their small size. Also a new breed of electric scooters is just starting to gain popularity and the old two-stroke high pollution engines are on the way out due to tougher emissions regulation.
Your comments re 'cyclists matter', 'future of London traffic' and 'motorcyclists are an irrelevance' just don't wash really TBH, the purpose of the streets are to afford people transport from place to place and I don't see how you can argue that motorcycles defeat that purpose? In fact PTWs (Powered Two Wheelers) are the most efficient way to get about an urban environment if speed is your measure of efficiency. Mind you when it comes down to it, personally I would not ride a PTW down a bus lane as I see it as a route with an unacceptable risk and would prefer to filter down the right hand side of four wheel traffic, ditto on a bicycle.