Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

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Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby hexhome » 1 Oct 2010, 10:35am

According to episode 20 series 4 of Helicopter Heroes, cycling is dangerous!
This program, broadcast this morning, showed the result of a car/cycle collision
and stated that whilst green, cycling was amongst the most dangerous ways to
travel.

You may wish to judge this yourself, after all, such a prestigious organisation
would not make such ridiculous statements. See
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00v1rv3 at time 12.29.

For my part I've complained to Ofcom. You may consider a similar action?
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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby snibgo » 1 Oct 2010, 11:29am

... cycling was amongst the most dangerous ways to travel.


It is, being on a par with walking and driving, beaten only by motorbiking.

Less dangerous methods (by some definitions of "dangerous") include bus, train and aircraft.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby hexhome » 1 Oct 2010, 11:39am

All of which could be argued to be statistically safe.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby gentlegreen » 1 Oct 2010, 12:43pm

I wouldn't get back on a motorcycle. I used to arrive at work in an unhealthy kind of sweat.

I reckon the risks need to be qualified by saying that it is possible to learn to be a lot safer on a bicycle, but I reckon it takes an assertiveness that in my case I learned by riding a motorcycle for 10 years, before my 23 years as a cyclist.

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Postby [XAP]Bob » 1 Oct 2010, 12:47pm

Cycling is amongst the top 100% of most dangerous modes of transport...

The phrase means nothing, so Ofcom will do their normal toothless wonder act, and people will assume that it means that cycling is more dangerous than living.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Postby james01 » 1 Oct 2010, 1:04pm

gentlegreen wrote:I wouldn't get back on a motorcycle. I used to arrive at work in an unhealthy kind of sweat.

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Same here. On a motorbike you often have no time to assess whether that motorist waiting to pull out from a side road ahead has registered your presence. Even now when driving my car on a main road I get that familiar nervous apprehension when a car hurtles up to a side-road stop line ahead. Motorcycling in my teens has left me with a permanently enhanced awareness of the fallibility of fellow road users.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby snibgo » 1 Oct 2010, 1:26pm

Life should carry a government health warning, as it carries a 100% rate of fatalities.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby byegad » 1 Oct 2010, 2:24pm

More or Less, BBC Radio 4 have just stated that 98 people died last year from falling out of bed. While everyone sleeps and not everyone cycles, 128 cyclist deaths last year IIRC seems good odds.
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Postby [XAP]Bob » 1 Oct 2010, 4:36pm

byegad wrote:More or Less, BBC Radio 4 have just stated that 98 people died last year from falling out of bed. While everyone sleeps and not everyone cycles, 128 cyclist deaths last year IIRC seems good odds.



And per mile :)
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Postby Cunobelin » 1 Oct 2010, 6:19pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:
byegad wrote:More or Less, BBC Radio 4 have just stated that 98 people died last year from falling out of bed. While everyone sleeps and not everyone cycles, 128 cyclist deaths last year IIRC seems good odds.



And per mile :)


... only if you fall out of bed on a Sleeper train?

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby patricktaylor » 1 Oct 2010, 8:30pm

Lifts are the world's safest form of transport.

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Postby Mike Sales » 1 Oct 2010, 9:40pm

We all know, but often forget, that there are two meanings of "dangerous". These are the transitive and the intransitive. That is, dangerous to others, or dangerous for oneself.
Cycling may or may not be dangerous for cyclists, but it is safe for other road users. What cyclists are is endangered, not dangerous.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby downfader » 3 Oct 2010, 12:25pm

patricktaylor wrote:Lifts are the world's safest form of transport.


I hate lifts. Theres something that *bleeps* me up! :shock: :shock: :shock:

I take the stairs at work most of the time.

Mike Sales wrote:We all know, but often forget, that there are two meanings of "dangerous". These are the transitive and the intransitive. That is, dangerous to others, or dangerous for oneself.
Cycling may or may not be dangerous for cyclists, but it is safe for other road users. What cyclists are is endangered, not dangerous.


Well said Mike! Sadly people now misread the risks as cycling being a risk to others.

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby basingstoke123 » 4 Oct 2010, 12:39am

downfader wrote:
I hate lifts. Theres something that *bleeps* me up! :shock: :shock: :shock:

I take the stairs at work most of the time.



And how many people fall down stairs? I trust that if you decline to use the expensive lift provided for your safety and convenience, then at least, you put on a helmet before tackling the stairs. I wonder if a cycle helmet would be considered suitable for stairs use? (dual use technology!)

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Re: Cycling is amongst the most dangerous ways to travel

Postby bovlomov » 4 Oct 2010, 1:01am

byegad wrote:More or Less, BBC Radio 4 have just stated that 98 people died last year from falling out of bed. While everyone sleeps and not everyone cycles, 128 cyclist deaths last year IIRC seems good odds.


Considering well over 99% of the population die in bed, I'd say that the few that died while trying to escape that death trap (i.e. by falling out) were simply making a rational calculation of the odds.

Who will rid us of this menace?!!

Goodnight. And sleep well.