hubgearfreak wrote:OldGreyBeard wrote:
more about whether it would be better in terms of getting better faciltiies and treated more seriously if cyclists, and I do include myself, viewed their bike as a vehicle rather than a two wheeled pedestrian and were therefore more willing to accept that there was a cost of ownership beyond buying kit. By this I mean being willing to pay for secure parking, 3rd party insurance, proof of ownership etc etc
we've had this debate before. i think that the conclusion has been that if you introduce any charges for cycling, then it will discourage cycling. any charge would need to be a significant sum if it were to be worth collecting. given the benefits to health, congestion, pollution, CO2 emmissions etc., then it's too useful a thing to risk discouraging.
the other conclusion is that the 5% of motorists who treat us with contempt are unlikely to change their ways and become civil and respectful if we were to start paying a charge either for registration or anything else.
if there was a demand for safe & secure parking whose costs would be more than covered by user fees (ie. profitable), then entrepreneurs would have stepped in and started reaping the profits - that this isn't happening shows that the demand isn't there
Sooo in cambridge, in their new shopping centre (http://www.cambridge.gov.uk/ccm/content ... e-parks.en
), they built a whole floor of cycle parking thats split into secure and unsecured. Weekly workers pay a daily rate ( i think its £1-2) and for that they also get lockers, i really dont knwo the details? Anyway as a saturday shopper, i often use the unsecured , go straight into shopping centre and start spending. The equation here is threefold:
-In cambridge a shopping centre needs to attract cyclists, so the shopping centre wanted it
-The council need to address cycle needs, so they wanted it
-The bike shop, station cycles, wanted the access to spenders so they run the secured parking op and their shop is the division between the two, so even the unsecured cyclists buy all their disposables , tyres, patches, mini lights etc from there.
Its a very profitable situation for all......because of the volume of cyclists. Would this translate to other places? Yes where there is volume. Stations, London highyways etc
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