A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby Bonefishblues » 13 Jan 2019, 9:21am

Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby reohn2 » 13 Jan 2019, 9:26am

Bonefishblues wrote:Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

Which begs the question,wt actual f have they been doing for the past ten years?

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

You can't say the present bunch of incompetents are right thinking anythings :wink:
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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby Bonefishblues » 13 Jan 2019, 9:36am

reohn2 wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:Might it simply be that we have prisons in crisis, they are stuffed to the gunwales, demonstrably not working, costing a fortune, and the new Prisons Minister has come in, had a look and gone wt actual f. He may have even spoken to a wise head like Ken Clarke.

Which begs the question,wt actual f have they been doing for the past ten years?

After all, the way that the Tories traditionally curry favour with the great unwashed is to lock even more up.

You can't say the present bunch of incompetents are right thinking anythings :wink:

In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby reohn2 » 13 Jan 2019, 9:40am

Bonefishblues wrote:In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Quite!
So I equate their same logic to them as I always have :)
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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby Bonefishblues » 13 Jan 2019, 9:52am

reohn2 wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Quite!
So I equate their same logic to them as I always have :)

But - and a big but - in this respect, they were responding to the will of the people, to use the currently fashionable phrase. I'd rather be presented with uncomfortable truth, even if it is just that, but it isn't how politics works, is it.

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby reohn2 » 13 Jan 2019, 10:05am

Bonefishblues wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:In answer to the former, the wrong thing (in this as many respects), in the face of much evidence to the contrary.

Quite!
So I equate their same logic to them as I always have :)

But - and a big but - in this respect, they were responding to the will of the people, to use the currently fashionable phrase. I'd rather be presented with uncomfortable truth, even if it is just that, but it isn't how politics works, is it.

Nope it sure ain't.
There's never been a more incompetent bunch of idiots running any show that I've attended :?
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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby thirdcrank » 13 Jan 2019, 11:11am

We have at least one forum member who has proposed that capital punishment should be introduced for some drivers. That might reduce the prison population.

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby ianrobo » 13 Jan 2019, 2:33pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
And now the govt want no jail for 6 months or less ... and just how weak do we see sentences for killer drivers ?.


Some of us gave been campaigning for this for years. At last government appears to be getting it.

Of course, what is needed is robust and credible community sentences. They are well known to reduce reoffending. They would, IMV, include tough bans for serious motoring offences. Killer drivers generally get longer sentences than 6 months anyway, depending on the circmstances involved.


Well community sentencing is a joke and not well funded. For me if anyone is DD it deserves a jail sentence as you are a potential murderer in that state.

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Here's one the judge thought was lenient

Postby thirdcrank » 24 Jan 2019, 1:44pm

Judge slams dangerous driving maximum prison sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46950932

"Your case illustrates if any further illustration was needed in these courts that the maximum sentence for the offence of dangerous driving of two years is woefully inadequate," said Judge Rose.

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby gaz » 31 Jan 2019, 3:10pm

Sentencing the boy, presiding magistrate Penny Wood said: ‘We need to tell you that our initial thinking was to sentence you into custody. It can’t be right to drive your car and knock down two people, innocent pedestrians and kill them. ‘However, there are no charges in relation to the standard of your driving on that day. But we can begin by saying so it can be heard by anyone in the court, that we take this extremely seriously.’

Two pedestrians killed, 24-month supervision order, a £105 fine, and banned from driving for two years.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/30/son-weal ... e-8416176/

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby thirdcrank » 31 Jan 2019, 3:31pm

As is so often the case, much more detail in the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -jail.html

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Re: A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

Postby Vorpal » 31 Jan 2019, 3:59pm

A Nottinghamshire driver who hit a cyclist at a roundabout, causing serious life-altering injuries, has received six penalty points and a £200 fine.


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