A place to record lenient sentencing for motorvehicle....

[Mike Sales]

Calling me a member of the anti DLC brigade showed a misunderstanding of what I was getting at (see post above) and a desire to close off any discussion by calling any doubter a member of an imaginary mob of Luddites. You had already decided I was one of those who " write them off as "dangerous" whilst ignoring the pile of bodies humans are responsible for."
Needless to say I am not one of those, and I did not think I had said anything like that. I just wanted to think about the point Vorpal makes as well. Our behaviour will be changed by the change in the capabilities of motors.

What Kwackers is pointing out is that the problems humans create will always be greater than those created by machines that aren't ego powered.

I expect he is right, but I said nothing to imply I differed.

His unwillingness to understand what I was getting at rather gave me the impression that he was intent on attacking any point which did not fit his thinking.

[kwackers]

His unwillingness to understand what I was getting at rather gave me the impression that he was intent on attacking any point which did not fit his thinking.

I doubt I was unwilling to understand but rather misinterpreted what you were saying.
Generally speaking I tend to be fairly brusque with my replies to stuff like this mainly because the naysayers are fairly vocal yet have no evidence - hence 'luddite'.
My view is the vehicles are here so lets give them some time and see where it goes.

[Tonyf33]

Van driver deliberately drives at cyclist and gets found guilty of 'careless driving' not dangerous driving as originally charged with (more deluded/bias jurors!) and given £550 fine + 5 points.
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/?news_id=43127
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html
Dreadful

[reohn2]

Van driver deliberately drives at cyclist and gets found guilty of 'careless driving' not dangerous driving as originally charged with (more deluded/bias jurors!) and given £550 fine + 5 points.
http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/?news_id=43127
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html
Dreadful

I think when you tot up the court costs £1500 and compo £1000,monetarily it's about right.
However 5points isn't enough IMHO,it should have been a 3month ban and an anger management course,as by his own admition he doesn't like cyclists so doesn't like people who get in his waya serious charater flaw IMO .

[jollytiddlywink]

A car rams into a cyclist in broad daylight, then flees the scene, and is caught on camera. Police claim a "lack of evidence" and the driver is let off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-35472617

[Paulatic]

A car rams into a cyclist in broad daylight, then flees the scene, and is caught on camera. Police claim a "lack of evidence" and the driver is let off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-35472617

You'll find discussion if that here
Brutal hit & run - Nottingham
viewtopic.php?t=103392

[jochta]

WTA*?

http://road.cc/content/news/177771-no-j ... in-cyclist

No jail for driver who pleaded guilty to causing death by dangerous driving because he's too old? Judge says he would have only got a few weeks anyway.

[Guy951]

Any comment I can possibly make will probably get me banned from this forum for life!

Seven years for drunk driver who killed cyclist

http://road.cc/content/news/181289-seven-years-drunk-driver-who-killed-cyclist
man who hit and killed a cyclist in Hersham last May has been sentenced to seven years in prison at Guildford Crown Court after he admitted causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink. Jason Taylor also pleaded guilty to two counts of driving while disqualified and two counts of driving while uninsured...

...Prosecutor Amanda Hamilton said: “Mr Taylor was driving a Vauxhall Combo van in the same lane as Mrs Wyeth. He came up behind her and didn’t change his course to go round here and hit her, causing her to fly off her bike with force. A witness saw her doing a full two body cartwheels.”

After hitting Wyeth, Taylor ran into a Vauxhall Astra in front, veering into the other lane in an apparent attempt to avoid the impact. He was then involved in a head-on collision with a 17 tonne truck...

...Taylor had 31 previous convictions for 74 offences – eight of which were for driving with excess alcohol and six for driving while disqualified. He had never held a full licence and had last been disqualified in January 2015.

He was given a 10-and-a-half year sentence which was reduced to seven years, taking into account his guilty plea. He was given four months each concurrent on two charges of driving while disqualified – one from the day of the incident and the other from the day before, and he was also disqualified from driving for nine years.

[reohn2]

^^^Only the maximum sentence could equal justice in this case .

[Guy951]

Nobody died, and it hasn't reached court yet. But...

Careless?

Dunstable M1 lorry driver charged after dashcam allegedly catches shunt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-35744590

A lorry driver who allegedly "repeatedly and deliberately" rammed a car on a busy motorway has been charged with careless driving.
The car driver caught the incident on his dashcam as he drove along the M1 near Northampton on 11 November.
He said the other driver repeatedly attempted to cut him up and shunted him twice.
Northamptonshire Police said a 67-year-old lorry driver from Dunstable, Bedfordshire, had been charged.

How on earth can "repeatedly and deliberately" ramming another vehicle be merely careless?

I dunno who the biggest morons are in this case. The lorry driver, or the coppers and CPS wonks who think deliberately ramming another vehicle is merely careless.

No wonder cyclists get such short shrift from our wonderful legal system.

[jochta]

Four years for being found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving, a charge he pleaded not guilty too. Lots of the Facebook comments on this post by Thames Valley Police are more sympathetic to the driver than the victim with "momentary lapse of concentration", "tragic accident" etc. He was found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving by a jury who sat through and deliberated on the evidence put before them, how much more damning do you want?

Christopher Mallett, 35, of Clyde Place, Bletchley has been sentenced to four years’ imprisonment after he was found guilty of causing the death of a seven-year-old boy by dangerous driving.
Mallett He pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving but not guilty to causing death by dangerous driving.
He was found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving on 18 February this year by a jury at Aylesbury Crown Court (sitting at Amersham) in front of Judge Sheridan in a two day trial.
Today (7/3) at Aylesbury Crown Court again in front of Judge Sheridan he was sentenced to four years’ imprisonment, a three and a half year disqualification from driving with an extended driving test to pass.
The sentence follows an incident on 20 March 2015 at 2.17pm on the A4146 Stoke Hammond bypass near the junction with the B4032 Leighton Road. At that time a lorry driven by Mallett collided with a stationary silver Toyota Rav 4 on the southbound dual carriageway.
Police, fire service and air ambulance together with the ambulance service attended.
Sadly a seven-year-old boy, Mohammed Ali Ahmed, who was a passenger in the car, died at the scene.
PC Sandra Terry from Bicester Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: “This is a very sad case where a young boy has lost his life following a lack of concentration from the driver of another vehicle. This moment has caused a lifetime of loss for Mohammed’s family.
“I hope that this case makes drivers of all vehicles think about the responsibility they have in relation to other road users.”

https://www.facebook.com/thamesvp/posts ... 6891733655

[blackbike]

A good article in today's Telegraph, though I think the last three words of the headline's question are redundant.

The courts are soft on motorists full stop, whoever they kill or injure, or whatever other way they break the law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/recreati ... -cyclists/

[BeeKeeper]

Not a cyclist but a scooter rider but the outcome still beggars belief. Stolen vehicle, over the limit alcohol - 12 month ban and a fine. http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Father- ... story.html

[jochta]

Not just for killing cyclists, found guilty of causing death by careless driving after pulling out into a motorcyclist, a charge he denied. Four months and no ban mentioned.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/144832 ... ef=mr&lp=4

Just a terrible mistake so here's a slap on the wrist.

[Postboxer]

What do people think of this?

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Ex-soldi ... story.html

The victim was riding motorcycle but could easily have been a cyclist, pedestrian or other road user.