The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby kwackers » 13 Feb 2018, 3:13pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
brynpoeth wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:What does "fartlek" mean?

Foreign :mrgreen: Oldish saying for interval running.

Is there a cycling equivalent?

I often ride like that, flat out for a bit then ease off and rest, then flat out again...

I keep fit by running, cycling is transport but it's a term that fits...

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby brynpoeth » 13 Feb 2018, 3:15pm

kwackers wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
brynpoeth wrote:

Foreign :mrgreen: Oldish saying for interval running.

Is there a cycling equivalent?

I often ride like that, flat out for a bit then ease off and rest, then flat out again...

I keep fit by running, cycling is transport but it's a term that fits...

Interval training?
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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby kwackers » 13 Feb 2018, 3:24pm

brynpoeth wrote:Interval training?

My problem with intervals is I think of them as having a rigid format.
i.e. Sprint for 100m, rest for 200m or sprint for 1 minute, rest for 2 minutes etc.

Fartlek is unstructured; I'm riding along and think "ok, lets push it to the end of this road".

When running I do both (but not at the same time).

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby AlaninWales » 13 Feb 2018, 3:45pm

PH wrote:
kwackers wrote:The "tragedy" (note the quotes) is the antisocial behaviour reigned in by the forced obedience of the speed limit.

You've lost me, still don't understand where the tragedy is, we must have different definitions of the word.

Tragedy: "A drama or literary work in which the main character is brought to ruin or suffers extreme sorrow, especially as a consequence of a tragic flaw, moral weakness, or inability to cope with unfavourable circumstances."
Willy Russell in 'Educating Rita' wrote:Frank: ...“Man killed by a falling tree, that’s not a tragedy.

Rita: It is for the poor sod under the tree.

Frank: Yes, it’s tragic, absolutely tragic. But it’s not a tragedy in the way that Macbeth is a tragedy.

Kwackers' story was a classic Tragedy in the true sense.

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby Si » 13 Feb 2018, 3:50pm

Mmmm, I don't know about tragedy. Depends if the alternative would have been him overtaking in a dangerous way (i.e.exceeding the speed limit). If this were the case then having him being mouthy is probably the lesser of the evils on offer. Of course, it may be that in a particular instance if could have safely broken the speed limit to overtake...but then if we all start choosing which laws to break we are going to come across the case where different values of "safe" come into play.

What we really want is a blackbox with cameras attached (external and internal), and bluetoothed into a HRM so we know when he's getting worked up. And, of course, it would monitor phone use in the car too. Actually that sounds like a lot of effort when we could just get him out the car and onto an ebike.

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby brynpoeth » 13 Feb 2018, 4:01pm

If he exceeds the maximum speed limit the autopilot takes over and drives the vehicle to the nearest cop-shop :D
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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby mercalia » 13 Feb 2018, 5:31pm

Vorpal wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:What does "fartlek" mean?

As far as I known, runners use it to mean varying terrain or inervals, to improve fitness, prevent getting bored, etc.

In Scandinavian languages, it means 'speed play'.


hmm I thought it mean something more organic and bodily :lol:

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby recumbentpanda » 13 Feb 2018, 6:56pm

‘Tragedy’ - I think this may be partly my fault :oops: The title of my thread about ‘Drive-cycling’ was a tongue-in-cheek reference to a cartoon caption from Gary Larson’s ‘Far Side’ series. If you are not familiar with his work, Larson has a peculiarly twisted sense of humour.

The responses to my thread and this, remind me of a maxim I claim to have invented, but keep forgetting: INWotI -Irony Never Works on the Internet. Not reliably at any rate :roll: :lol:

So: Black box insurance deals for the young and foolish -damn good thing what?!

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Postby kwackers » 13 Feb 2018, 7:09pm

recumbentpanda wrote:The responses to my thread and this, remind me of a maxim I claim to have invented, but keep forgetting: INWotI -Irony Never Works on the Internet. Not reliably at any rate :roll: :lol:

I did put it in quotes in an attempt to make clear I didn't really mean it was a tragedy - probably made a mistake trying to justify it later but got to keep abreast of my internet adversarial skilz.

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby PDQ Mobile » 13 Feb 2018, 7:25pm

I thought it was something to do with aviation. :roll:

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby MikeF » 15 Feb 2018, 10:20am

PH wrote:
kwackers wrote:The "tragedy" (note the quotes) is the antisocial behaviour reigned in by the forced obedience of the speed limit.

You've lost me, still don't understand where the tragedy is, we must have different definitions of the word.
Tragedy was in quotes. Those youngsters "suffered" because the black box restricted their speed and the "slow" cyclist could go faster than they!
One definition of tradegy - "a play dealing with tragic events and having an unhappy ending, esp. one concerning the downfall of the main character."

What word would you have preferred?
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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby Patrickpioneer » 15 Feb 2018, 3:51pm

I am so out of date, never heard of a 'black box' in a car. One day I hope all cars have a box that will not allow anyone to break the speed limit.

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby elPedro666 » 17 Feb 2018, 9:56am

The 'yoofs' involved certainly sound tragic to me, all that angry frustration at being dropped by a cyclist, brilliant

I'm a trendy consumer. Just look at my stupid phone.

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Re: The 'tragedy' of black boxes...

Postby brynpoeth » 17 Feb 2018, 10:02am

kwackers wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
brynpoeth wrote:

Foreign :mrgreen: Oldish saying for interval running.

Is there a cycling equivalent?

I often ride like that, flat out for a bit then ease off and rest, then flat out again...

I keep fit by running, cycling is transport but it's a term that fits...

"Fahrtwind" is a useful German word, it denotes the breeze one creates by cycling along
Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott.. Alternative facts welcome