Out-and-back or circuit?

Commuting, Day rides, Audax, Incidents, etc.

Out-and-back or circular for long day rides?

Out-and-back
1
3%
Circular
25
74%
Neither
1
3%
Both
7
21%
My navi does the thinking
0
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Total votes: 34

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Mick F
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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby Mick F » 31 Jul 2020, 4:54pm

40odd miles yesterday cycling to Plymouth via the western edges of Dartmoor and into the South Hams.
Had a beer or three in town, and then took the train home.
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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby philvantwo » 31 Jul 2020, 8:38pm

Did you have to wear a mask on the train Mick F?

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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby peetee » 31 Jul 2020, 10:28pm

Mick F wrote:40odd miles yesterday cycling to Plymouth via the western edges of Dartmoor and into the South Hams.
Had a beer or three in town, and then took the train home.


You’d be thankful to not have travelled today. My daughter has returned from Southampton on the train. Masses of cancellations, overcrowding and confusion aplenty at Plymouth as expected arrivals were changed from platform to platform. The rail staff must have been at their wits end.
Door to door it is 200 miles and she was travelling for 9 hours. That’s almost cycling speed! :(
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Back on two wheels in deepest Pastyland and loving every minute. Mission: to enjoy big, bad hills again.

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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby Mick F » 1 Aug 2020, 9:10am

There must have been half a dozen on the train coming back to Gunny.
Yes, I wore a mask, but as there was no-one in sight, I took it off, ready to put it back on if required.
No ticket collector, just a door operator and the driver (of course).

Last week, Mrs Mick F went from Gunny to Barnstaple - via Plymouth and Exeter, and there was no staff on any of the trains.
It was only because she's honest, that at Plymouth she bought her return ticket.

She could have just changed platforms at Plymouth and Exeter without a barrier, and when at Barnstaple, there was no barrier either .......... meaning that you can do the whole journey return without a ticket knowing full well that there wouldn't be anyone on the trains to check.
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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby philvantwo » 1 Aug 2020, 1:36pm

A couple of the small stations here have now installed ticket machines on the platform so you've got now excuse for not having a ticket.
If you do get caught how do they know you're not giving them a false name and address?

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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby Mick F » 1 Aug 2020, 7:30pm

Walked to Calstock today.
The two of us plus Sailor the doggie.
A couple or so miles there up and down the hills, and called in at the Tamar Inn.

.............. or should I say we sat on the benches out on the quay whilst Mrs Mick F went into the Tamar to get the beers.
Sailor had some bikkies we'd brought with us.

Just here .......... but very different now!
Loads of tables and benches on the quay nowadays.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.49597 ... 312!8i6656

Afterwards, we took the train back to Gunnislake ............ only one stop north, then walked home.
No staff other than the driver, no station barriers at either end, and a free ride as no-one was there to take money.
Only staff, was the driver, and he must have operated the doors.
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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby lbomaak2 » 1 Aug 2020, 9:26pm

Mick F wrote:No staff other than the driver, no station barriers at either end, and a free ride as no-one was there to take money.
Only staff, was the driver, and he must have operated the doors.


So you could have a free ride home from Plymouth, if you chose to get on the train at Devonport station.

Are the railways getting lax about revenue protection (or rather, even more lax than usual) because they have effectively been re-nationalised, or is it genuinely because of trying reduce the Covid risk to staff?

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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby Mick F » 2 Aug 2020, 10:04am

Yes, it's occurred to me that I could get on at Devonport/Dockyard/Keyham for a free trip, or the other way round too.
Not only are the trains losing revenue from fewer passengers, they're losing it by not collecting it as often there's no-one to even take your money! It's an offence to travel without a valid ticket, but it's unenforceable now.

This situation will be going on until this time next year I'm sure.
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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby Grandad » 2 Aug 2020, 10:57am

Wages for the missing staff would probably exceed the lost revenue.

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Re: Out-and-back or circuit?

Postby RickH » 3 Aug 2020, 9:00pm

philvantwo wrote:A couple of the small stations here have now installed ticket machines on the platform so you've got now excuse for not having a ticket.
If you do get caught how do they know you're not giving them a false name and address?

2 or 3 weeks ago I bailed out of what should have been an 86 mile ride at around 50 miles, due to ongoing twinges developing in one knee, & caught a train at Helsby. Unfortunately the ticket machine decided to die on me. After getting through the ticket options & attempting to pay it gave an error & then said "out of order". I downloaded the Northern trains app & got a ticket that way. But no-one checked my ticket on that train or the connection & my destination station doesn't have barriers. Like others I could have travelled free.

I did a bike & train run to Chester & back last week & needed my ticket to get through the barriers there.

With the passenger numbers, particularly off peak, I doubt there is that much lost revenue.

On rides, mine are mostly loops but they can often be quite long & thin, where much of the out leg is close to the route of the return leg.

Sometimes I'll do a mostly out & back and, on some routes at least, it is surprising how different the two ways can be, both in terms of the feel of the terrain & the views.