Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Commuting, Day rides, Audax, Incidents, etc.
WillRod
Posts: 4
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 12:49pm

Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby WillRod » 19 Jul 2016, 1:03pm

I often use a shared use path to cycle into town, it crosses a large field and generally there are no problems with walkers except the odd extending dog lead. But when I get to the park, or other green lanes through the housing estate people seem not to hear my bike bell.

My question is... what do you do if they don't hear your bike bell?
I have tried a simple "Passing on your right" and similar, but tend to get a negative reaction as if I am being rude.
My current solution is to pass at about 5-6mph, but they get spooked still and I still get the odd person telling me I should use a bell!

Do I just have to put up with it or do I get a horn?

Bez
Posts: 1168
Joined: 10 Feb 2015, 10:41am
Contact:

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Bez » 19 Jul 2016, 2:10pm

I just ride as if everyone were deaf and/or blind. Seems to work.

Playing card in the spokes?

User avatar
Mick F
Spambuster
Posts: 45549
Joined: 7 Jan 2007, 11:24am
Location: Tamar Valley, Cornwall

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Mick F » 19 Jul 2016, 2:26pm

I was dinging away like a good-un once, and the walkers took no notice.
As I passed, they jumped out of their skins, and one said, "I wondered what the ringing noise was!"

You couldn't make it up! :lol:
Mick F. Cornwall

whoof
Posts: 1721
Joined: 29 Apr 2014, 2:13pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby whoof » 19 Jul 2016, 2:29pm

Some reasonable sounding advice from the Highway Code.

'Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary'
'You should..•be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one.'

However whereas some people will thank you for ringing a bell others will think what what you are 'saying' is 'I own this path get out of my way'. I have a feeling that a great deal of these people wouldn't be happy unless you threw your bike into the canal and pledged never to cycle again. Others are so engrossed in their texting that they wouldn't hear the Band of the Royal Marines approaching.

I therefore do pretty much as stated above and if that means going from left to right to go around people then I do. I also add a cheery good morning or afternoon as I pass, regardless of what is said.

User avatar
hatless
Posts: 41
Joined: 11 Apr 2008, 8:49pm
Location: Northampton

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby hatless » 19 Jul 2016, 2:32pm

The sight of pedestrians completely oblivious of those around them, lost in thought, makes me happy. It's a precious thing, a bit of chilled out space, a few carefree minutes.

User avatar
[XAP]Bob
Posts: 16871
Joined: 26 Sep 2008, 4:12pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 Jul 2016, 2:51pm

Slow and pass carefully - they might be deaf, they might just be lost in thought.

They might be listening to music...

None of the above is bad.
If the path is wide enough then swoop by slowly (as you do)...
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.

Tangled Metal
Posts: 5218
Joined: 13 Feb 2015, 8:32pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Tangled Metal » 19 Jul 2016, 2:59pm

hatless wrote:The sight of pedestrians completely oblivious of those around them, lost in thought, makes me happy. It's a precious thing, a bit of chilled out space, a few carefree minutes.

I'm like that on my bike sometimes, completely oblivious to things around me. Very relaxing.

However with pedestrians I treat them all as if they're a boobytrap sent to catch me out. So I approach having slowed down to a speed that allows me a good reaction time to get out of their way should they change direction last minute.

I also take pride in the fact I'm being a responsible cyclist with my approach to more vulnerable users of mixed use paths and other routes. I thank pedestrians who also have a good behaviour towards other users. I believe there is some benefit to my habit of reinforcing good behaviour in this way. Probably makes no difference but I still do it. Makes me feel good and certainly better than ranting at the idiots you encounter.

Pet hates include path hogging, groups moving from one side of path to the other like they're drunk, people who walk or cycle against the flow and dog owners using extendable leads. There is very little you can do about them at times.

WillRod
Posts: 4
Joined: 19 Jul 2016, 12:49pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby WillRod » 19 Jul 2016, 3:16pm

I guess I am generally doing the right thing... slowing down and waiting for wider parts if they don't hear me.

I am still tempted by an air-horn :twisted: but only for the smartphone zombies!

I will probably change my bike to a lighter one and blast along the road, as a 4 mile trip into town should be about 25-30mph for me most of the way.

iviehoff
Posts: 2411
Joined: 20 Jan 2009, 4:38pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby iviehoff » 19 Jul 2016, 4:16pm

Whilst most peds appreciate a bicycle ring, some are surprised and behave erratically on hearing it; some are offended by it as though it was some kind of an accusation; some are not expecting it and fail to divine it's meaning; some think they have no duty to let you past and wish you to let you know that by holding you up; some think that bicycles are not permitted just here and therefore don't wish to facilitate your illegal passage; some think bicycles are an abomination in the sight of god and man and wish you to be aware of your error; some have put things in their ears; and some are physiologically deaf.

I did once encounter a large party of physiologically deaf people out for a walk on a busy purpose-built cyclepath. They were all profoundly deaf, without exception. We had to dismount before we fell off or collided with them. Even when we did establish communication with the tail-ender, all we got was "we're deaf, you know", as if this was some kind of reason for preventing the cyclists from passing you while walking on a purpose-built cyclepath. We heard "we're deaf you know" a few more times, as we slowly made our way through the crowd. It was still early in the day, and if they stayed on the cycle path they were about to meet a lot more cyclists, many of them less patient than us, so hopefully they worked something out before long.

Tiberius
Posts: 473
Joined: 31 Dec 2014, 8:45am
Location: North East England

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Tiberius » 19 Jul 2016, 6:42pm

WillRod wrote:I am still tempted by an air-horn :twisted: but only for the smartphone zombies!


I was in Gdansk/Poland a couple of years ago and I saw a bloke who had a MASSIVE bulb horn on his bike.....It was as if he had strapped a euphonium to his handlebars...

I was desperate to see someone walk out in front of him and receive the QE2 like PAAAAAAAARPPPPP !!! In his/her lug... :lol:

landsurfer
Posts: 4613
Joined: 27 Oct 2012, 9:13pm
Location: Rotherham

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby landsurfer » 19 Jul 2016, 7:15pm

Ahhh .... the ever increasing need for victimhood ..... nobody on a shared path ignores your bell, they don't hear it ..... that simple.
I ride 2 days a week on a shared path between Mexbrough and Barnsley

A couple walking and chatting. Won't hear it.
Parents with kids. Won't hear it.
If your cycling into the wind. People won't hear it. It's a physics thing.
Dog walkers. Etc.........

I have no bell on any of my bikes. I flick my brake levers, that usually works, failing that I shout "good morning" ... afternoon etc.
That works
And people move, and smile, and answer.
“I’m responsible only for what I say, not what you understand.”

The Road Goes on Forever.

User avatar
Cunobelin
Posts: 9173
Joined: 6 Feb 2007, 7:22pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Cunobelin » 19 Jul 2016, 7:57pm

Ring bell............ No answer

"Loud Voice"........No answer

Even louder Voice ....No answer



The Air Zound is justified

User avatar
Cunobelin
Posts: 9173
Joined: 6 Feb 2007, 7:22pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Cunobelin » 19 Jul 2016, 7:59pm

Or....
Two chavettes with pushchairs blocking path

Ring bell

"Go away (4,3)" came the reply

Straight to Air Zound

AaronR
Posts: 272
Joined: 18 Jul 2014, 8:12pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby AaronR » 19 Jul 2016, 8:14pm

Sing. Like a nutter. Instantly you stop being a pesky cyclist who shouldn't be on their pavement to being something that should be given a wide berth

Postboxer
Posts: 1412
Joined: 24 Jul 2013, 5:19pm

Re: Shared use paths - Bells ringing ignored...

Postby Postboxer » 20 Jul 2016, 7:38am

Is 'Like a Nutter' to the tune of 'Like a Virgin'?