Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Cyclewala » 28 Aug 2020, 10:28am

Worst driver?

That could me, or anyone of us, on any given day. All it takes is a moment of lapsed concentration/distraction.

Since I took up cycling, I think my driving has improved - particularly hazard premption. But, every so often, I will make an error that could have been costly.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby The utility cyclist » 28 Aug 2020, 1:14pm

Cyclewala wrote:Worst driver?

That could me, or anyone of us, on any given day. All it takes is a moment of lapsed concentration/distraction.

Since I took up cycling, I think my driving has improved - particularly hazard premption. But, every so often, I will make an error that could have been costly.

Good drivers don't have lapses that could impinge on others safety. they continually think about what they are doing, they don't drive right to the edge/on the margin they give account of others errors and their own. Good drivers go at speeds that they've a margin in hand, good drivers look for opportunities to help vulnerable road users get about easier (which generally equals safer) and do so in a way that has no bearing on their journey either.

I used to be a serial car commuter BITD for my sins, a lot of it in and through London having driven from North Herts, somehow never managed to have those lapses that caused others to get hurt. Did I make errors, of course I did, but I'd already done best part of 10 years road riding including daily commuting through a major industrial area and busy city by the time I was 17.

Poor drivers don't think anywhere near enough about their driving, they rarely if ever drive with a margin in hand, this is why despite all the huge technical advances in driver aids there are still over 185,000 killed or injured on our roads.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Phileas » 28 Aug 2020, 1:52pm

Traction_man wrote:
Manc33 wrote:Best:
- Driving instructors.
- Cops.


Not so sure, I have seen police patrol cars not indicating..


+1

I’ve seen a number of appalling examples of poor police driving over the years.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 28 Aug 2020, 3:10pm

Surely there is no excuse for bad driving by cops, there are always two in a car, the one who is not driving can observe and communicate
Mind, I think think many policepersons have not had advanced training, is that right?
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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Mike Sales » 28 Aug 2020, 3:23pm

Phileas wrote:
I’ve seen a number of appalling examples of poor police driving over the years.


Me too. And instructors.
I stuck a "Pavements are for Pedestrians" note on the windscreen of a police car obstructing the pavement once.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby pwa » 29 Aug 2020, 8:51am

Cyril Haearn wrote:Surely there is no excuse for bad driving by cops, there are always two in a car, the one who is not driving can observe and communicate
Mind, I think think many policepersons have not had advanced training, is that right?

There tends to be only one in a car around here.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Pebble » 29 Aug 2020, 9:49am

Traction_man wrote:
Manc33 wrote:Best:
- Driving instructors.
- Cops.


Not so sure, I have seen police patrol cars not indicating, and driving instruction vehicles driven over the speed limit...

I once did a sort of advanced driving course with the police (one of the instructors that train the high speed patrol drivers) - he didn't like to see indicators being used unless you could say who you were indicating for (and the invisible man was not a reason)

Absolutely brilliant course though, learnt a lot.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 29 Aug 2020, 10:16am

Why was the invisible person not a reason for indicating? I assume s/he is ubiquitous
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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Bonefishblues » 29 Aug 2020, 10:21am

Pebble wrote:
Traction_man wrote:
Manc33 wrote:Best:
- Driving instructors.
- Cops.


Not so sure, I have seen police patrol cars not indicating, and driving instruction vehicles driven over the speed limit...

I once did a sort of advanced driving course with the police (one of the instructors that train the high speed patrol drivers) - he didn't like to see indicators being used unless you could say who you were indicating for (and the invisible man was not a reason)

Absolutely brilliant course though, learnt a lot.

This has been rehearsed several times in recent years. There's something of a divide between the 'thou shalt indicate at all times' and 'thou shalt indicate only when reason to indicate' factions :D

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Pebble » 29 Aug 2020, 10:48am

Bonefishblues wrote:
Pebble wrote:
Traction_man wrote:
Not so sure, I have seen police patrol cars not indicating, and driving instruction vehicles driven over the speed limit...

I once did a sort of advanced driving course with the police (one of the instructors that train the high speed patrol drivers) - he didn't like to see indicators being used unless you could say who you were indicating for (and the invisible man was not a reason)

Absolutely brilliant course though, learnt a lot.

This has been rehearsed several times in recent years. There's something of a divide between the 'thou shalt indicate at all times' and 'thou shalt indicate only when reason to indicate' factions :D

I think in fairness to the police instructor he was probably trying get the message over to fully concentrate on everything rather than enacting some mindless habit ?

I do often consider it a sign of incompetence those who overtake on a country road then indicate to move back left. It is often the ones who give you a close pass then in another 50 yards finally make it onto the other side of the road, then the indicator comes on and they start to slowly move back left, all approaching a blind bend. It is if they know what they should be doing but have not mastered the skills yet.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby DaveGos » 29 Aug 2020, 10:54am

I was criticised on my motorbike test(1975) for using my indicators too much , I was told my bike looked like a Christmas tree with fairy lights on . Not sure the instructor had culturally got used to the idea of indicator lights on a motorbike. I did pass but then 90 percent did pass motorbike tests in those days , only new one person who failed, they were pretty pathetic as the examiner only saw you a few times. Think my grandad may of failed on the emergency stop , he went past and then stopped and then asked the examiner if he wanted something

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Oldjohnw » 29 Aug 2020, 11:18am

I think some assume that if they indicate they can do anything and everyone has to submit. Manoeuvring with no signal when there is traffic is unwise but so is assuming that it gives me an absolute right on the road.
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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Bonefishblues » 29 Aug 2020, 7:59pm

Pebble wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:
Pebble wrote:I once did a sort of advanced driving course with the police (one of the instructors that train the high speed patrol drivers) - he didn't like to see indicators being used unless you could say who you were indicating for (and the invisible man was not a reason)

Absolutely brilliant course though, learnt a lot.

This has been rehearsed several times in recent years. There's something of a divide between the 'thou shalt indicate at all times' and 'thou shalt indicate only when reason to indicate' factions :D

I think in fairness to the police instructor he was probably trying get the message over to fully concentrate on everything rather than enacting some mindless habit ?

I do often consider it a sign of incompetence those who overtake on a country road then indicate to move back left. It is often the ones who give you a close pass then in another 50 yards finally make it onto the other side of the road, then the indicator comes on and they start to slowly move back left, all approaching a blind bend. It is if they know what they should be doing but have not mastered the skills yet.

Yes, that's the one.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby Mike Sales » 29 Aug 2020, 8:08pm

The worst are those who think they are good drivers.
The best are those who know they make mistakes, and leave room for their own errors, and those of others.

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Re: Who are the best/worst drivers on the road?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 3 Sep 2020, 2:30pm

Mike Sales wrote:
Phileas wrote:
I’ve seen a number of appalling examples of poor police driving over the years.


Me too. And instructors.
I stuck a "Pavements are for Pedestrians" note on the windscreen of a police car obstructing the pavement once.


Pedestrians including those with push chairs/prams and those who use other mobility aids... my wheelchair rims aren't in great condition, so I don't mind squeezing by a parked car...
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