BakfietsUK wrote:Vorpal, clearly some posts are more well thought out than others.
Rhothgar, you sound very angry and seem to blame everyone, if I get your meaning correct. I have to say it's difficult to get your meaning. I would respond to your seeming distain for so called victim blaming by saying that it does exist and it is not helpful. Often it is a way of shedding one's own responsibility and guilt feeling for some event that resulted in misfortune of some sort to another person.
If victim blaming goes unacknowledged or is dismissed as rubbish, then there is a very great risk to society in general. To leave it unacknowledged risks the chances of getting justice as not naming it can be construed, by implication as acceptance in some quarters.
It does not take too much imagination to perceive of a scenario when a cyclist killed on a road is blamed for riding on the road and considered to be acting like someone who kicks a crocodile. I find this attitude highly disrespectful toward the victim and really distressing for any grieving loved ones. Maybe kicking a crocodile is not a practice many should take up, but if this act is somehow equivalent to cycling on roads then we all need to watch out.
Point taken (in part).
You do clearly misunderstand my point then which I thought was very clear and positive. I don't think it's helpful when people on forums deconstruct a post and try to quote points out of context. As I said in my first post, I've come to the discussion late and has not read all of the posts. Then when I read a fair few and saw some that were commenting about black cars, it did make me wonder how tangential threads can become.
But to use an example of a cyclist riding on a road and being killed and blamed because they were on the road (which they are entitled to be) is stretching it a bit.
It is counter-productive to the real issues at hand to start hypothesising about what could be, is it not?
My best friend was killed on a bike. I am not angry as you suggest and I do not have any unresolved issues relating to his death. He wasn't wearing hi-viz nor did he have lights but it was during broad daylight so he didn't need them.
My point regarding victim blaming was purely made on the basis that this seems to happen after the event but if thought actually goes into one's own safety be it proven or otherwise then why is it such an issue to take care of oneself through your own choices? It's up to the individual what they do but then what is the value of complaining if something happens?
To me, it sounds as though logic itself at times is being deconstructed and for what purpose?
Lobbying should be happening now to bring in presumed liability as per the link I thought I had posted thinking it would actually be of interest.
I hear a lot of people complaining about this and that but when it comes to it why don't some of you who think you have valid posts get off your backsides and get your thoughts down in writing and sent into the public inquiry?
Or is it just a case that most like to moan and do nothing of any value?
Sorry to play The Devil's Advocate but what changes if you're only prepared to speak out on a forum?
One of he biggest travesties of the year was the death of a cyclist who was hit by a van and the driver had many previous convictions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37283994
The sad part in all of this that the cyclist's death could possibly have been prevented. Instead of dealing with him properly at earlier opportunities, he was let off on grounds of hardship. The laughable thing (if it wasn't so sad) is that his family are really suffering now because of his idiotic actions and a human has been killed needlessly.
This is why I speak of conscientiousness. Drivers kill with impunity. You only need to read the various comments about road tax and all that BS that drivers level at cyclists.
I am a driver too to advanced level. That is the level everyone should be taught and tested to. There would be far less drivers on the road. I'm not anti-car. I own eight.
I am not anti-cyclist. I own a similar amount.