landsurfer wrote:I honestly believe that the ebike question is the greatest "elephant in the room " of modern cycling.
I find your attitude to be elitist and tiresome. Pedelecs or e-bikes have there own place as a form of cycling and transport - they are not moped/motorcycle substitutes.
Mmm ...yes they are ... Could I set a human powered bicycle speed record with an electric motor ? Could I ride a ten mile TT using an electric motor.
I've never been call elitist before .... Thank you. working class lad done well ....
I think electric powered cycles are brilliant ... My wife has one and it gives her the ability to come out with me and the grand children. But it's not Cycling .... Sorry.
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landsurfer wrote:I honestly believe that the ebike question is the greatest "elephant in the room " of modern cycling.
I find your attitude to be elitist and tiresome. Pedelecs or e-bikes have there own place as a form of cycling and transport - they are not moped/motorcycle substitutes.
Mmm ...yes they are ... Could I set a human powered bicycle speed record with an electric motor ? Could I ride a ten mile TT using an electric motor.
I've never been call elitist before .... Thank you. working class lad done well ....
I think electric powered cycles are brilliant ... My wife has one and it gives her the ability to come out with me and the grand children. But it's not Cycling .... Sorry.
The point is somewhere over that hill. The defi Jon of cycling is not limited to the UCI regulations. Otherwise we could suggest that it can't be driving because there isn't a rear wing on a car
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way.No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse. There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
[XAP]Bob wrote:The point is somewhere over that hill. The defi Jon of cycling is not limited to the UCI regulations. Otherwise we could suggest that it can't be driving because there isn't a rear wing on a car
Good point, .... bicycles, tandem's, trikes, recumbants .... All are part of the cycling world. IMPO the addition of non human motive power, primary or secondary , is a change to a different vehicle type.
“Quiet, calm deliberation disentangles every knot.”
Be more Mike.
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Kajsa Tylen has ridden 32326 miles in 2016 and she wasn't doing a full-time job while she did it. That's a tad under 90 miles a day. And on my constant theme of what's going on in a rider's head:
"I always knew I'd finish it unless I got injured or ill, but sometimes I wanted to pack it all in. "I had to write event logs and I've got notes on the back on them and on some I've just written "why am I doing this?".
Various reasons why this isn't totally comparable, apart from her not working. She didn't have weekends off or holidays and she was able to vary the route just as she wished.
[XAP]Bob wrote:The point is somewhere over that hill. The defi Jon of cycling is not limited to the UCI regulations. Otherwise we could suggest that it can't be driving because there isn't a rear wing on a car
Good point, .... bicycles, tandem's, trikes, recumbants .... All are part of the cycling world. IMPO the addition of non human motive power, primary or secondary , is a change to a different vehicle type.
When did you last try an e-bike? For the vast majority of my commute the e-assist is disabled by law, it's only when I hit a hill that it provides support (it doesn't do all the work by a long shot) So for the vast majority of the time I just have a heavier cycle. But when it does uphill I have a stoker who can help keep the speed up.
So does my vehicle type change based on terrain?
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way.No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse. There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
landsurfer wrote:Mmm ...yes they are ... Could I set a human powered bicycle speed record with an electric motor ? Could I ride a ten mile TT using an electric motor.
Can you cycle tour on one, using routes where motor vehicles are not permitted? - Yes can you go on a CTC ride on one? - Yes, several riders use them with my member group.
For someone who seems committed enough to the CTC as to make a deal of it in their signature, it's a pity you can't think beyond sport when it comes to cycling.
Yesterday I started cycling up a slight gradient 1in14?? when about 20yds ahead a chap with an E bike cycled out of his gate in front of me. I was cycling just slightly faster than he, but he was pedalling all the time and I could hear the motor giving assistance. As far as I was concerned he was cycling. The 'problem' seems to be many E bikes don't look ergonomic to me. For all I know this person may have been putting in as much effort as me.
"It takes a genius to spot the obvious" - my old physics master.
I don't peddle bikes.
landsurfer wrote:Mmm ...yes they are ... Could I set a human powered bicycle speed record with an electric motor ? Could I ride a ten mile TT using an electric motor.
For someone who seems committed enough to the CTC as to make a deal of it in their signature, it's a pity you can't think beyond sport when it comes to cycling.
Welllll ..... I don't take part in any " cycle sport ..".. Just ride, tour and the odd sportive ..... And that's only if its a nice route. And I don't rush ...
Let me a different tack ..... I love rugby, played it for 25 years.... If the rules where "improved " and the ball became a sphere and you where not allowed to touch the ball only kick it, it could still be called rugby ..... But it would not be RUGBY ...... That sort lays out my feelings about electric motor powered and assisted bi- cycles.......
And back to the thread ???????
“Quiet, calm deliberation disentangles every knot.”
Be more Mike.
The road goes on forever.
MikeF wrote:Yesterday I started cycling up a slight gradient 1in14?? when about 20yds ahead a chap with an E bike cycled out of his gate in front of me. I was cycling just slightly faster than he, but he was pedalling all the time and I could hear the motor giving assistance. As far as I was concerned he was cycling. The 'problem' seems to be many E bikes don't look ergonomic to me. For all I know this person may have been putting in as much effort as me.
His E bike weighs much more, he might have been using more energy than you, even with assistance.
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Hi, Like others here my opinion about pedelecs has modified some what (especially if you have a less energetic aging partner, I will still chase them down tho
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landsurfer wrote:Mmm ...yes they are ... Could I set a human powered bicycle speed record with an electric motor ? Could I ride a ten mile TT using an electric motor.
For someone who seems committed enough to the CTC as to make a deal of it in their signature, it's a pity you can't think beyond sport when it comes to cycling.
Welllll ..... I don't take part in any " cycle sport ..".. Just ride, tour and the odd sportive ..... And that's only if its a nice route. And I don't rush ...
Let me a different tack ..... I love rugby, played it for 25 years.... If the rules where "improved " and the ball became a sphere and you where not allowed to touch the ball only kick it, it could still be called rugby ..... But it would not be RUGBY ...... That sort lays out my feelings about electric motor powered and assisted bi- cycles.......
And back to the thread ???????
I am still strong enough to use an ordinary bike and my instinct says E-bikes are not cycles, but I plan to take a test ride in 2017 so I know what I am talking about.
On thing about E-bikes, they are very expensive. The LBS here used to be a bike shop. Now it offers "cycles and E-bikes". Great chance to increase turnover and use of resources. Not quite as bad as the scheme to scrap old usable cars to promote new car sales.
Entertainer, juvenile, curmudgeon, PoB, 30120 Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott We love safety cameras, we hate bullies
I fully expect that in the distant future I will embrace the electric way when I am no longer able to enjoy pedal power. Some of the electric bikes in my LBS are of the off road type, Mountain bikes, very expensive, £4-6k and as sold for off road use are not constrained by road use regs.... Electric Trail Bikes .... An upcoming artical in a national motorcycle magazine (Bike) will prove an interesting read.
“Quiet, calm deliberation disentangles every knot.”
Be more Mike.
The road goes on forever.
landsurfer wrote:Let me a different tack ..... I love rugby, played it for 25 years.... If the rules where "improved " and the ball became a sphere and you where not allowed to touch the ball only kick it, it could still be called rugby ..... But it would not be RUGBY ...... That sort lays out my feelings about electric motor powered and assisted bi- cycles.......
More sport. Have you any examples that are not sports? You talk of rules, but they're only there so no one has an unfair advantage. If it's not competitive, why would any advantage be unfair? Unfair to who?
working class lad done well ....
