Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby Roadster » 2 Feb 2017, 4:10pm

A bell is much more effective than vocalizing because it's a long-established convention which, as that video showed, is immediately and universally understood and respected. Furthermore, it requires no social interaction between cyclist and pedestrian, which may not always be welcomed and is in any case unnecessary for such brief and routine encounters between strangers. Nevertheless, I always make a point of thanking the pedestrians who give way for me.

However, not all bells are created equal and a good quality bell is much more effective than a poor quality one. I was singularly unimpressed with my previous bell - a BBB "Loud & Clear" which was in fact neither - and so were the pedestrians it was supposed to warn. Something had to be done so I pushed the boat out for a Crane Suzu Mini with Die-Cast Alloy Clamp:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crane-Bell-Alu ... +mini+suzu

The Crane makes a pleasing chime which is both loud and sustained, forewarning of my approach from a greater distance than was previously possible. Consequently, pedestrians are less startled and are given more time to react, which hugely improves their experience of the encounter.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Postboxer » 2 Feb 2017, 4:31pm

Coconuts, people like horses don't they? Nice gentle sound too.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby meic » 2 Feb 2017, 4:37pm

as that video showed, is immediately and universally understood and respected.
In Japanese cities.
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Si » 2 Feb 2017, 4:44pm

bell vs voice - does it have to be an either/or? I normally slow, ring, issue a polite excuse me and wait for it to be safe to pass, adding a thank you as appropriate. Seems to work for me.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Si » 2 Feb 2017, 4:46pm

meic wrote:
as that video showed, is immediately and universally understood and respected.
In Japanese cities.

Notice how well trained they are.....they tend to clear one side of the path.....whereas in the UK you often get a pair of people initially swapping places.....but at least it gives you a chance to have a giggle with a stranger.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby RobC » 2 Feb 2017, 5:12pm

Context is everything.

I'd never ring my bell on a crowded shared path, unless on a canal towpath when approaching blind bends
I'd certainly use my bell while cycling on the carriageway and I spot a pedestrian potentially stepping into the road without looking my way (with hands over brakes of course).

Those modern 'ping' bells do have a rather obnoxious tone.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Elizabethsdad » 2 Feb 2017, 5:29pm

On occasions when I have used my bicycle bell to warn someone of my presence it is completely ignored - only after repeated ringing and calling out is my existence acknowledged.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Bez » 2 Feb 2017, 5:46pm

Personally I think it's a bit off to start ringing a bell and expect people to move out of the way. (Which is why I don't personally like bells: that seems to be their predominant function.)

Imagine you're riding on the road and someone in a car behind starts honking the horn, expecting you to move out of their way…

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby 661-Pete » 2 Feb 2017, 5:53pm

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby millimole » 2 Feb 2017, 5:54pm

RobC wrote:Context is everything.

I'd never ring my bell on a crowded shared path, unless on a canal towpath when approaching blind bends
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Another example of how you will never please everyone in this case, and no-one is right!
I spend a lot of my volunteering hours sitting on a lock gate near a blind bend and whenever I hear I bike bell I think to myself ' here comes another self-important bike rider who wants everyone else to get out of there way'.
There is no right, and no wrong in the use of bells / voice


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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 2 Feb 2017, 6:15pm

I like to whistle or sing (OSTTTOA, one song to the tune of another).

One could also try barking or growling like a dog

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Spinners » 2 Feb 2017, 6:17pm

The last time I used my modern ping bell (with an obnoxious tone) the young couple I was slowly approaching from behind both stopped dead in their tracks and started patting their pockets looking for their phone :roll:
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Threevok » 2 Feb 2017, 7:54pm

I tried shouting "STRAVA" a couple of times, but it doesn't work that well.

Ironically, it does work in coffee shop queues at trail parks :twisted:

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby eileithyia » 2 Feb 2017, 8:37pm

Damned if you do damned if you don't. Some time ago when negotiating a track that needed both hands on brakes to control the tandem, walkers who had already moved out of the way for the ex.. moved back across the track without looking.... my cheery 'Hello, coming past' (or whatever) was greeted with a friendly comment re bells..... explained even if i had one i would not be able to take hand off the bars to operate it as i needed both on the brakes. :lol:

Locally on our shared paths it would not matter if you used a bell or voice, they are all permenently plugged into a device and oblivious to all passing traffic.
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby BakfietsUK » 2 Feb 2017, 8:50pm

I can hear a car without the driver needing to sound the horn. Maybe bikes could be fitted with loudspeakers broadcasting engine noise and smoke generators to cover everyone with fumes and dust. Then bells may not be needed.