Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby kwackers » 2 Feb 2017, 9:08pm

Do people really have this much of an issue?

I ding my bell from a goodly distance away - too close and it makes them jump and seems rude, too far and obviously they can't hear it.
If it doesn't sink in then I slow and say "excuse me" from 6 -10 feet away, if that doesn't work then I say it again but louder. A quick "thanks" as I pass and all is good.

At the moment my brakes are squeaking something chronic so I've no need of one... :lol:

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby al_yrpal » 2 Feb 2017, 9:37pm

I usually ding when approaching so it can be heard. Smile and greet, a thank you costs nothing. Bikes are silent, peds dislike a shock and that can provoke a negative reaction. Slowing down to a non intimidating passing speed is good.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby landsurfer » 2 Feb 2017, 9:41pm

I flick my brake levers 2-3 times .... it catches peoples attention and i give then a cheery greeting as i pass .... works for me .... but i do live in Yorkshire ... where people are naturally nice ..... :)
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby 661-Pete » 2 Feb 2017, 11:15pm

Threevok wrote:I tried shouting "STRAVA" a couple of times, but it doesn't work that well.
Won't work. They'll probably just think it's a Russian word - and Russian agents are twenty to the dozen these days....
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby landsurfer » 2 Feb 2017, 11:28pm

661-Pete wrote: They'll probably just think it's a Russian word - and Russian agents are twenty to the dozen these days....


:lol: :lol:
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 3 Feb 2017, 12:34am

Hi,
Bez wrote:Personally I think it's a bit off to start ringing a bell and expect people to move out of the way. (Which is why I don't personally like bells: that seems to be their predominant function)


WE don't, Well I hope we all think that we are simply warning others of our existence.
We and no one hear is saying that we expect people to jump to it.

Bez wrote:Imagine you're riding on the road and someone in a car behind starts honking the horn, expecting you to move out of their way…

They simply overtake...........I have only ever had a horn sounded at me on the road after an altercation / drivers impatience at me moving on when I don't simply have the power of a car to accelerate to safety.

Back to the OP it appears whether voice or bell they don't always want us there.
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Spinners » 3 Feb 2017, 7:25am

al_yrpal wrote:I usually ding when approaching so it can be heard. Smile and greet, a thank you costs nothing. Bikes are silent, peds dislike a shock and that can provoke a negative reaction. Slowing down to a non intimidating passing speed is good.

Al


Agree with all that and especially the last part!
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby ambodach » 3 Feb 2017, 8:59am

Biggest problem on paths and single track roads I find is that a group coming towards you and therefore in clear view is reluctant to give way. They seem to expect you to take wings and fly over them or something. Each individual thinks someone else should move over. Overtaking seems to be easier and on paths localish to me.A greeting and thank you always seems to work.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby whoof » 3 Feb 2017, 9:39am

Within my first month of cycling in Bristol I had the following three incidents.

1. I was riding down a cycle (not shared) path and there were some pigeons in the path so they would move. I slowed and rang my bell. A man drinking a can of beer walk across from an adjacent footpath to ask 'who the ***??/ do I think you are ringing a bell at?"

2. I was cycling in a bike lane on a road. A pedestrian was walking across the pavement reading a text and looked like they were going to walk out into the road without looking. I rang my bell. The response was '***??/*** cyclists'

3. I was cycling down a road and a pedestrian was looking like they were about to step into the road without looking, I rang my bell. They looked up said 'ring-a-ding-ding" and stepped out in front of my causing me to brake sharply.

On Saturday a car approached me from behind and sounded it's horn. As it passed the passenger stuck out him arm and put up his middle finger. I hadn't impeded their journey in any way, I merely existed on a bicycle.

It's not just you some people hate cycling and cyclists.

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby meic » 3 Feb 2017, 9:57am

Bez wrote:It's funny, but whenever I hear a bicycle bell I think, "here comes some self-important fundament who expects me to get out of the way". I think you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I always go for the cheery "morning" or "sorry" and deploy a big grin before anyone can start being miserable. Very occasionally someone still is, of course, but that's life. Maybe their goldfish died or something.

The other top tip is to always cycle with a small child: they're very useful for defusing confrontations before they even start. Though there are downsides to that tactic, particularly if you don't have a small child of your own and have to obtain one from elsewhere.


I gave the child the bell/horn, it is harder to take offence at a child making the noise as children habitually make noise, until of course they are required to make noise and then they fall quiet.
So it was a short term success but a failure in the medium term.
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby kwackers » 3 Feb 2017, 10:04am

ambodach wrote:Biggest problem on paths and single track roads I find is that a group coming towards you and therefore in clear view is reluctant to give way. They seem to expect you to take wings and fly over them or something. Each individual thinks someone else should move over. Overtaking seems to be easier and on paths localish to me.A greeting and thank you always seems to work.

You get that when running too so no need to think they just hate cyclists.

A group of people are mentally tied up dealing with their socialising, they don't have the spare mental capacity to work out there's no gap for you to go through until you make the right noise and wake them up.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby meic » 3 Feb 2017, 10:30am

If you were to stop, even as much as twenty metres in front of them. They would continue walking right up to the point of collision and at that point try and workout how to change course and rearrange the group inorder to get past this unexpected obstacle.
A group doesnt have a controlling intelligence and most of the individuals within are paying no attention to where they are walking.

I have tried doing things like this and more than once actually walked into* by members of a large group on a path 20 foot wide with just myself and that group in the vicinity.

A very valid point though is that the group pose no significant danger to anybody and they should be entitled to relax their vigilance, especially on a fairly empty leisure route.

*I was also abused for not ringing a bell and on one occasion for not having dismounted (there were blue signs around).
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby kwackers » 3 Feb 2017, 10:54am

I was on foot in Warrington town center once when I saw a guy on a bike cycling (legally) through. He came upon a small group of people who obviously weren't paying attention so he stopped to let them past.
One of them completely failed to see the bicycle and walked right into it, the poor guy was then loudly berated by the aggrieved individual.

I also once came across a group of 3 guys one of whom deliberately blocked my path and berated me for cycling on the footpath. Unfortunately the guy doing all the shouting (in a way obviously intended to demonstrate his alpha male status to his mates) was standing pretty much on top of the painted white bicycle. I think his mates thought it the funniest thing ever when I pointed at it.

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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 3 Feb 2017, 11:58am

Hi,
meic wrote:If you were to stop, even as much as twenty metres in front of them. They would continue walking right up to the point of collision and at that point try and workout how to change course and rearrange the group inorder to get past this unexpected obstacle.
A group doesnt have a controlling intelligence and most of the individuals within are paying no attention to where they are walking.

I have tried doing things like this and more than once actually walked into* by members of a large group on a path 20 foot wide with just myself and that group in the vicinity.

A very valid point though is that the group pose no significant danger to anybody and they should be entitled to relax their vigilance, especially on a fairly empty leisure route.

*I was also abused for not ringing a bell and on one occasion for not having dismounted (there were blue signs around).

And that's the real world as I see it!
It makes little difference if you try it in a car, when you stop because some one has driven on wrong side of road, because a car is parked on their side, they drive right up to your bumper and expect you then to disappear into the hedge or reverse.................

My shock today is that I am getting it from group cyclist :evil:
So its not as said cycle haters is just "Don't Evade My Space"................."You Talking To Me" :? :( .................

I blame it on so called a sort of individual over importance because they see some A lister / reality star / whatever doing the same, its called wishful thinking.........I want to be somebody...............

My old mate used to say after an altercation...........I'm just sticking up for myself..........that's the lame excuse you always get.............
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Re: Hostile reaction to cheery greeting - Is it just me?

Postby nigelnightmare » 3 Feb 2017, 1:19pm

When I get told to use my bell after politely asking them to move I tend to comply.

I don't have a BELL anymore.
I've got an "AIRZOUND" horn 120 decibels. :twisted:

You should see how quickly people move out of the way when you BLAST them with that :lol:
and when they start mouthing off I just "give em another BLAST".

Problem solved? Probably not but it is most satisfying.