Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

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thirdcrank
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby thirdcrank » 11 Dec 2020, 1:10pm

Chwarae troi'n chwerw, wrth chwarae gyda thân


Which reminds me that all my road sign Welsh will now be soon forgotten as unnecessary.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Dec 2020, 1:11pm

If they were made for recent golfs, in thousands, millions, the price would go down down down
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Jdsk » 11 Dec 2020, 1:14pm

RickH wrote:I've seen mention of a bolt-in electric kit for a classic VW Beetle but that cost around £20,000! If that is the going rate at the moment then the car would have to be something special to be worth it.

Exactly. Conversion is great for classic cars, experiments, prototypes and some other niches.

RickH wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Good news I think, a factory making batteries for electric vehicles shall not be built in Wales, it shall be built in England instead, plusminus

There are too many vehicles already, the existing infernal combustion vehicles could surely be fitted with electric motors

If it was affordable electrifying existing combustion engine cars would/could be attractive.

Yes. Conversion is completely irrelevant to the urgently needed mass migration to EVs.

And would make that excess expenditure unavailable for investment in anything else.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Jdsk » 11 Dec 2020, 1:16pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:If they were made for recent golfs, in thousands, millions, the price would go down down down

Conversion is a craft business. The price would come down with increased volume but it wouldn't get anywhere near what's achievable with new build.

Jonathan

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Oldjohnw » 11 Dec 2020, 1:58pm

Open question: do jobs matter? Wales loses many, Northumberland gains many. But cars continue to be made. Good or bad?

My view is that it is very complex and nuanced. Easy answers tend not to work. It would be better if the government showed more signs of providing a coherent green strategy to match their targets.
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 11 Dec 2020, 2:17pm

Open answer: too much work is done and too many resources are used, for example to scrap ten-year old vehicles that could easily be used for another ten years, the same for fridges, etc &c
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'people working too hard to earn money to buy goods they do not need, to impress people they do not like'
He also coined a useful phrase for nationalists: 'I love my country, but I do not like it much'
Cymru am byth!
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Jdsk » 11 Dec 2020, 2:21pm

Oldjohnw wrote:Open question: do jobs matter?

Oldjohnw wrote:It would be better if the government showed more signs of providing a coherent green strategy to match their targets.

Yes. I'm cautious about "strategy" but much clearer and joined-up plans would be a big improvement. And those would include plans for each sector, including manufacturing, and for employment... including employment in Wales.

Jonathan
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Jdsk » 11 Dec 2020, 2:22pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Open answer: too much work is done and too many resources are used, for example to scrap ten-year old vehicles that could easily be used for another ten years, the same for fridges, etc &c

That depends on what you mean by "easily". Conversion of 10y old ic cars to electric drive at scale would be very difficult and very expensive.

Jonathan

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby pwa » 12 Dec 2020, 10:29am

Cyril Haearn wrote:Good news I think, a factory making batteries for electric vehicles shall not be built in Wales, it shall be built in England instead, plusminus

There are too many vehicles already, the existing infernal combustion vehicles could surely be fitted with electric motors

Good at least is that an area equivalent to XY rugby fields in Wales shall not be concreted over

Former RAF St Athan, a site long since set aside for development. At least that particular development would have been linked to environmental benefits, as well as providing 3000 jobs.

I don't resent Northumberland getting jobs though. Good luck to them. It would just be nice to have a few thousand here as well. St Athan just wasn't going to be ready quick enough for that project.
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Oldjohnw » 12 Dec 2020, 10:32am

The North East's gain. Perhaps to make up for the possible loss of Nissan? Who knows?
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Jdsk » 12 Dec 2020, 10:48am

Nissan at Sunderland employ about 7,000. Plus a few hundred indirectly employed on site. Plus 27,000 in the supply chain, mostly in the NE.

We might know all too soon!

Jonathan