Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

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Cugel
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Cugel » 7 Nov 2019, 2:03pm

brynpoeth wrote:The poem is about drowned villages, specifically (?) Capel Celyn that was drowned to provide water for Liverpool

Whatabout me? Like most on here, I am half Welsh and half English :?

The scum of the forests, what does Cugel think of that?


That reservoir poem of RST's is like many of his others. One must read between the lines a bit; and have an understanding of what the old clergyman was a-worrit with. The poem isn't complaining about "the English" in any xenophobic way but rather just remarking that the commercial, industrial and cultural impact of Wale's immediate neighbour (England) has effects on what Wales had become and was/is becoming.

There's no denying that parts of the Welsh landscape were pounced upon and used for the needs of often remote English interests only, such as village-drowning reservoirs, horrible mines, obliteration of native forest trees by commercial softwood species et al. The Welsh have only recently managed to wrest back control of some of these things, such as the forestry, where the polices are changing from having forests as nothing but sources of profit via paper and fuel-making to providing a greater diversity (of species, access and use).

And there was certainly a lot of policy imposed by various British governments that attempted to obliterate the Welsh language from schools, local councils and many other Welsh social services. Today the Welsh language is still in danger of extinction (along with much of the associated culture) simply from the overwhelming cultural hegemony of English-based stuff, much of it from Yankland as well as just over the border.

RST's poem observes some of these pressures on Wales, treated for so long as a second-class bit of Britain (like many other parts of Britain) by the dominant force of what we might call "The Home Counties" and the London-centric government. It's a complaint that many who live outside of SE England could still make, with their own examples - different in detail to the Welsh examples but often very similar. Policies of exploitation or neglect. Imposition of policies not derived by the locals themselves but by some Parliamentary policy wonk trying to seem a go-getter.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby 9494arnold » 8 Nov 2019, 8:28am

Slight thread drift here, I may have mentioned the National Cycle Museum in this thread before, we have just Launched a You Tube Video
(part one of an anticipated 2 parter) . Take a look , it might just inspire you to come (or come back) and visit the Museum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UND5yRHLoDI

I will be "front of house" a week today (Friday 15/11/2019) otherwise check the website for opening times
https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/

(and perhaps just give us a quick call too, one of our Volunteers has been poorly which MIGHT impact on opening in future , particularly Fridays (we have Managed to cover it so far). Don't forget, we are all Volunteers

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby pwa » 8 Nov 2019, 8:44am

Thinking about it a bit more, RS Thomas was certainly a poet of merit, and he put things across very well. His way of thinking was not always motivated by the kindness and empathy that I associate with wisdom, but if I take him as a real human being, with faults, he begins to be interesting to me. It seems to me that he was a Canute, wishing to turn back an unstoppable tide of change and longing for a past world that could never return.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby ambodach » 9 Nov 2019, 1:58pm

I drove both the diesel and petrol/paraffin Fergies in the mid 1950’s. With the latter you had to remember to switch to petrol before stopping the engine.The diesel had a strange kigas ( spelling is probably wrong) injector which was supposed to ease starting from cold. It never seemed to be working. I cannot remember having to double declutch but I learned to drive on crash gearboxes so probably never gave it much thought.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby MikeF » 9 Nov 2019, 6:57pm

ambodach wrote:I drove both the diesel and petrol/paraffin Fergies in the mid 1950’s. With the latter you had to remember to switch to petrol before stopping the engine.The diesel had a strange kigas ( spelling is probably wrong) injector which was supposed to ease starting from cold. It never seemed to be working. I cannot remember having to double declutch but I learned to drive on crash gearboxes so probably never gave it much thought.

So did I. Double declutch in a field and with a hand throttle?? Yes I've driven vehicles with all crash gearboxes.
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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby Mike Sales » 9 Nov 2019, 7:02pm

MikeF wrote: Double declutch in a field and with a hand throttle?? Yes I've driven vehicles with all crash gearboxes.


"Crash" would certainly describe my gear changing, on the road since I never tried in the field.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby ambodach » 10 Nov 2019, 6:01pm

I don’t imagine I ever tried double declutch in a field while working but travelling light yes. We once travelled by road about 10 miles to collect a load of hay in winter. I can still feel the cold. I also delivered grain in sacks to hen keepers and collected ash from the Ropeworks in Port Glasgow to fill potholes in our farm road.

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Re: Cymru am byth - we love Wales!

Postby brynpoeth » 20 Nov 2019, 10:36am

Our Bhoys just won at football. Again :wink:
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