Shared Cycle Paths Again.

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Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 10 Aug 2017, 5:33pm

Hi,
out this morning and happened upon another cyclist coming towards me on my left, I was about 2' 6" from the fence on my left, just came round a corner dinging my bell, to warn a ped I could see and I know from experience that cyclist take corners on the outside bend :evil:
The corner is not blind but there is a 8' metal grilled fence, end on you can not see through easy.

I slowed down expecting that they would move over to their left but instead insisted in coming at me on my left (the path is a good 3 mts wide gravelled) eventually we both slowed to a stop and bumped tyres.

I said why are you on the wrong side its not France!

They went off on a rant and said that where in Highway code does it say the left is correct.
They said you saw me coming your just a £&*$ head! Continued with rant as the moved off.

I did not swear but just stood my ground and said that they were incorrect.
This is what its come too, its not logical to use the right except with peds, and they can pick any side I will use the other.

Its a very common occurrence for me nowadays.
If you were to swap sides and they moved to their left and there was a collision then who would be to blame then.
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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby gaz » 10 Aug 2017, 5:44pm

Highways Act 1835 section 78.
Stay on the left, you don't want a 40 shilling fine :wink: .
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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 10 Aug 2017, 6:10pm

Funny you should say that as it’s happened to me several times recently, in fact it happened several times today. I rode up the Plym Valley cycle track this morning and there were a lot of inexperienced cyclist on it, those on the left just stayed there. That’s okay, I can make allowances for the inexperienced, especially there as there is no traffic on the track, its experienced riders that annoy me.
On Tuesday I cycled across the Tamar Bridge from darkest Cornwall towards Plymouth which happened to be at about the dockyard chucking out time. A dozen or so passed me in the opposite direction riding quite properly and passing on my right…except one bloke. He was as far to my left as possible and fully intended to stay there. I watched him closely as I had no idea what he was going to do. As he neared me he swung over to the correct side, and in passing sort of tutted?
I think it’s fair to assume that he does that ride every day and in my opinion should know better, but to be fair there are quite a few numpty’s working in the yard, and I should know as I was one of them :roll:

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby PH » 10 Aug 2017, 6:33pm

gaz wrote:Highways Act 1835 section 78.
Stay on the left, you don't want a 40 shilling fine :wink: .

Not on the cycle path
there are no rules about which side of the track to use but cyclists generally keep to the left

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/us ... ies-safely

I find eye contact, negotiation and most of all being prepared to stop usually keeps me out of trouble.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby gaz » 10 Aug 2017, 6:40pm

But your linked advice comes from a land where the rules of the highway are different e.g. A bicycle MUST have a bell :wink: .
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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby PH » 10 Aug 2017, 7:10pm

gaz wrote:But your linked advice comes from a land where the rules of the highway are different e.g. A bicycle MUST have a bell :wink: .

So it is, I didn't notice, though I'm pretty sure it also applies to cycle tracks in the rest of the UK.
Your link refers to the Highway, my understanding is that tracks are not included.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 10 Aug 2017, 7:26pm

You really do need a bell though on cycle tracks don't you?

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby gaz » 10 Aug 2017, 7:32pm

PH wrote:I find eye contact, negotiation and most of all being prepared to stop usually keeps me out of trouble.

+1. You certainly need your wits about you.
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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 10 Aug 2017, 7:43pm

PH wrote:
I find eye contact, negotiation and most of all being prepared to stop usually keeps me out of trouble.


That's exactly how I avoided colliding with said yardy today :wink:

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby PH » 10 Aug 2017, 8:01pm

Sometimes you can't win of course, reminds me that a couple of weeks ago I attempted to point some glass out to a passing cyclist, I don't know what he thought I'd said, but I got a lot of abuse for it...

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby kwackers » 11 Aug 2017, 9:15am

gaz wrote:
PH wrote:I find eye contact, negotiation and most of all being prepared to stop usually keeps me out of trouble.

+1. You certainly need your wits about you.

I had a guy cycling towards me on a narrowish path to my left, so I simply moved to my right to pass him when he suddenly became aware of me and decided to cycle on his left - which he did by swerving into my path so late I couldn't do anything much but brake.

We stopped facing each other and he started muttering about cycling on the left, being a righteous git he decided I was going to have to move first so I reached around and pulled my sandwiches out of my panniers and proceeded to eat them. Faced with watching me eat or cycling off, he decided to cycle off with some choice language.

I prefer common sense over righteous [Inappropriate term removed] anyday.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby Vetus Ossa » 11 Aug 2017, 11:13am

[quote="kwackers"]
I had a guy cycling towards me on a narrowish path to my left, so I simply moved to my right to pass him when he suddenly became aware of me and decided to cycle on his left - which he did by swerving into my path so late I couldn't do anything much but brake.

That’s exactly the situation you want to avoid isn’t it, though in my case the other cyclist was well aware of the situation, he was just an idiot.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 11 Aug 2017, 12:01pm

Hi,
Vetus Ossa wrote:
kwackers wrote:I had a guy cycling towards me on a narrowish path to my left, so I simply moved to my right to pass him when he suddenly became aware of me and decided to cycle on his left - which he did by swerving into my path so late I couldn't do anything much but brake.

That’s exactly the situation you want to avoid isn’t it, though in my case the other cyclist was well aware of the situation, he was just an idiot.


When there are peds and cyclist on the path you can cycle on the wrong side passing another cyclist, which is normally mutual, as peds can pick their preference, and you have to weave through.

Some of the cyclist you meet must drive cars too.
There must be a reason that when you do something that is generally thought as incorrect, you retort by asserting you are right not wrong?
Maybe a physiologist has already done a study on such.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby tykeboy2003 » 11 Aug 2017, 12:48pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:They went off on a rant and said that where in Highway code does it say the left is correct.
They said you saw me coming your just a £&*$ head! Continued with rant as the moved off.


I've had a similar experience of a cyclist riding on the "wrong" side and then ranting at me for not moving out of his way. I take the point that there's nothing in the Highway Code since it wasn't on a highway but common sense says you should stay on the left or always be ready to get over to the left if you encounter traffic coming the other way.

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Re: Shared Cycle Paths Again.

Postby mjr » 11 Aug 2017, 1:06pm

PH wrote:Not on the cycle path
there are no rules about which side of the track to use but cyclists generally keep to the left

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/us ... ies-safely

I find eye contact, negotiation and most of all being prepared to stop usually keeps me out of trouble.

Well, I never, a government publishing probably-incorrect advice about cycling(!) I do wonder why the Highways Act 1835 wouldn't apply to NI.

I find hand signals better than eye contact, as I wrote in a previous NA head-on-collision topic: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=94184
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