Should you have lights on during the day?

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby Herts Audax » 28 Aug 2018, 9:17pm

No

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby tykeboy2003 » 1 Sep 2018, 6:27pm

In answer to the O/P.

Definitely No - unless it's peeing down with rain or there is a covering of thick black clouds. Pretty much the same as for motor vehicles I would say. The only exception would be if you're going through a tunnel on one of the former railway line paths.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby Xilter » 1 Sep 2018, 9:11pm

I come from a country where they reckon even in daylight having lights on can make a vehicle 1000x more visible. They believe in this statistic so much so that it is illegal to sell a car which does not automatically turn the headlights on as soon as the ignition is turned on. If importing a car, a conversion will need to be made.

So being raised where lights are mandatory regardless of time of day. I have never given it a second thought. I bought lights for my cycle. I might as well use them.
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby brynpoeth » 1 Sep 2018, 9:20pm

Xilter wrote:I come from a country where they reckon even in daylight having lights on can make a vehicle 1000x more visible. They believe in this statistic so much so that it is illegal to sell a car which does not automatically turn the headlights on as soon as the ignition is turned on. If importing a car, a conversion will need to be made.

So being raised where lights are mandatory regardless of time of day. I have never given it a second thought. I bought lights for my cycle. I might as well use them.

Which country is that?
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby Xilter » 1 Sep 2018, 9:29pm

brynpoeth wrote:Which country is that?


Canada
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby drossall » 1 Sep 2018, 11:59pm

Again though, that's talking as though everything can just increase its visibility. Visibility is not some independent quantity. It's about being seen by humans with, in the end, limited attention that has to be divided among everything that happens around them. So, we cannot have some arms race in which everyone shouts, "Look at me". The visibility of the vehicle with lights is not the only, and arguably not even the main, consideration. It's what happens around it.

Has anyone measured whether fewer pedestrians are killed when vehicles have lights on?

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby lankysnapper » 2 Sep 2018, 12:38am

No, never.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby softlips » 2 Sep 2018, 5:22am

brynpoeth wrote:
Xilter wrote:I come from a country where they reckon even in daylight having lights on can make a vehicle 1000x more visible. They believe in this statistic so much so that it is illegal to sell a car which does not automatically turn the headlights on as soon as the ignition is turned on. If importing a car, a conversion will need to be made.

So being raised where lights are mandatory regardless of time of day. I have never given it a second thought. I bought lights for my cycle. I might as well use them.

Which country is that?


All new cars in the EU have had to have daytime running lights for several years now. At the time this was introduced Denmark, who already had mandatory DRL, were debating ceasing the practice.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby Xilter » 2 Sep 2018, 6:30am

It’s like the helmets. I’m certain some people are dead against it for no reason than having something to gas about. Lights/helmets aren’t going to kill you. Just get on with them.
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby rfryer » 2 Sep 2018, 6:47am

drossall wrote:So, we cannot have some arms race in which everyone shouts, "Look at me". The visibility of the vehicle with lights is not the only, and arguably not even the main, consideration. It's what happens around it.

But we're not competing with other road users. We're fighting for the attention of drivers who are prioritizing getting home quickly, or prodding their phone/satnav, over taking the necessary time to observe, especially at junctions. That's not the way it should be, but it's the way it is, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for trying to highlight themselves in such a driver's peripheral vision.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby drossall » 2 Sep 2018, 8:34am

Neither would I. My comments were in response to something about their perceived benefits for cars. My point was that, overall, I still don't think they are a good thing (and, as a driver, I tend not to use the automated light setting on our car). Given that there is an arms race, I can completely understand why people feel obliged to compete. But it's obvious to me that, for example, as dusk approaches, when cars come the other way with lights on, I go from having a clear view of the road environment to being able to see nothing other than those cars. Which is, of course, good for the safety of the occupants of those cars, but not so good for anyone else.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby meic » 2 Sep 2018, 10:07am

Xilter wrote:It’s like the helmets. I’m certain some people are dead against it for no reason than having something to gas about. Lights/helmets aren’t going to kill you. Just get on with them.

A call for blind obedience in contrast to considering the facts.
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby brynpoeth » 2 Sep 2018, 10:10am

Lights at the front but not at the back, how crazy is that then?
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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby Airsporter1st » 2 Sep 2018, 10:24am

brynpoeth wrote:Lights at the front but not at the back, how crazy is that then?


I guess the idea is to see others coming, not going.

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Re: Should you have lights on during the day?

Postby brynpoeth » 2 Sep 2018, 10:31am

Airsporter1st wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Lights at the front but not at the back, how crazy is that then?


I guess the idea is to see others coming, not going.

I keep under the maximum speed limit and need bright lights at the back to hold off normal drivers
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