[XAP]Bob wrote:Off road lights need to be limited to off road,
Unless used as a switched main beam alongside a proper 'dipped' beam.
[XAP]Bob wrote:Off road lights need to be limited to off road,
Cunobelin wrote:This brings up the point of how poorly cycle lights are designed.
pwa wrote:...My main gripe with bike lights has always been that beams can be too narrow. I'm all for controlling how much light goes up, but sideways spill is essential on dark twisty lanes.
pwa wrote:Just for a bit of perspective it is worth considering how much better cycle lights are today than they were a couple of decades ago. At least we have moved on from not having enough light to how to deploy the adequate light that we do have.
Motor vehicle lights need redesigning and lowering height wise and in brightless/intensity
....A while back, on a lit, restricted 30mph road in a queue of traffic busily blinding each other with their HiDlights, ...
Of course we did. Winter club runs, returning from evening time trials etc. The huge difference was that there was not so much light around from motor vehicles or houses with outside "security" lights, so you could actually see beyond your light and well enough with night vision. Motor vehicle lights have got brighter and brighter as they complain that they cannot see beyond the light so obviously they need more light, and now pedal cycle lights seem to be going the same way.mercalia wrote:yes I wish I still have an NeverReady front light to remind me how bad they were then - did any one ever venture into the sticks with them? did they ever come back in one piece?
mercalia wrote:yes I wish I still have an NeverReady front light to remind me how bad they were then - did any one ever venture into the sticks with them? did they ever come back in one piece?
mjr wrote:Now, if you want really bad, I have some of the green-tinged early LED headlights around here somewhere, misleading stamped with the BS approval mark for the reflector. Not much hope of seeing much with them! They get thrown about as low-energy nightlights now.
Sweep wrote:When was fhe vision 1 discontinued pwa?
Have long feared that this would happen.
Luckily i have two, one of each version.
The utility cyclist wrote:Motor vehicle lights need redesigning and lowering height wise and in brightless/intensity long before bicycle lights are put on the table to be a big problem. The primary reason why urban lights are used so bright on bicycles is to combat the retina burning brightness na dridiculous height of that found on every modern motor.
Police ignore this despite it being part of law.
Being 'blinded' by a bicycle light is about one occurence to every 10,000 for motors, it's really not that big a deal and as I said is driven by the allowed increase in motorvehicle lights in the first instance
reohn2 wrote:The utility cyclist wrote:Motor vehicle lights need redesigning and lowering height wise and in brightless/intensity long before bicycle lights are put on the table to be a big problem. The primary reason why urban lights are used so bright on bicycles is to combat the retina burning brightness na dridiculous height of that found on every modern motor.
Police ignore this despite it being part of law.
Being 'blinded' by a bicycle light is about one occurence to every 10,000 for motors, it's really not that big a deal and as I said is driven by the allowed increase in motorvehicle lights in the first instance
I agree totally with this point,if(and it's a big one)motor vehicle head lights on modern cars were controlled better,both the actual stray high level light and incredible brightness,then life on the road would be a bit more pleasant for others.
As for bicycle lights,I agree they should also be controlled but in the overall scheme of things bike lights are a minutest drop in the ocean of UK vehicle lighting problems to have almost no impact on other roadusers
[XAP]Bob wrote:Not just more pleasant for others - but more pleasant for motorists as well