Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

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Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby mercalia » 15 Mar 2018, 9:35pm

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Re: poor so-and-so nearly meets his maker

Postby thirdcrank » 16 Mar 2018, 12:03pm

The injured rider's comments, from the Daily Post link above:
“He fell asleep, it was an accident. I have no idea if the guy that did this to me is a good guy or not, but him going to jail doesn’t really make me feel any better. It means his life will be ruined as he’ll have a criminal record. I’m surprised he got a year, but I think the judge must have been shocked by the footage of the accident.”


A truly charitable view on the part of Gareth Evans. I hope he eventually recovers from his injuries and he's not put off cycling forever.

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Re: poor so-and-so nearly meets his maker

Postby Bonefishblues » 16 Mar 2018, 12:12pm

thirdcrank wrote:The injured rider's comments, from the Daily Post link above:
“He fell asleep, it was an accident. I have no idea if the guy that did this to me is a good guy or not, but him going to jail doesn’t really make me feel any better. It means his life will be ruined as he’ll have a criminal record. I’m surprised he got a year, but I think the judge must have been shocked by the footage of the accident.”


A truly charitable view on the part of Gareth Evans. I hope he eventually recovers from his injuries and he's not put off cycling forever.

I thought that too.

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Re: poor so-and-so nearly meets his maker

Postby pwa » 16 Mar 2018, 1:43pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:The injured rider's comments, from the Daily Post link above:
“He fell asleep, it was an accident. I have no idea if the guy that did this to me is a good guy or not, but him going to jail doesn’t really make me feel any better. It means his life will be ruined as he’ll have a criminal record. I’m surprised he got a year, but I think the judge must have been shocked by the footage of the accident.”


A truly charitable view on the part of Gareth Evans. I hope he eventually recovers from his injuries and he's not put off cycling forever.

I thought that too.

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby reohn2 » 16 Mar 2018, 2:07pm

I can only agree with the previous three posts,whether a 12month prison sentence is justified or another sentence may have been better is debatable.
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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby Audax67 » 16 Mar 2018, 2:11pm

Good bloke, that cyclist. His collar-bone will probably be fine, but tendon injuries can linger. Fortunately, he's at a good age to recover well, and I hope he does.
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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby pwa » 16 Mar 2018, 2:13pm

reohn2 wrote:I can only agree with the previous three posts,whether a 12month prison sentence is justified or another sentence may have been better is debatable.


I'm afraid that I have to take the view that continuing to drive after twice stopping due to drowsiness is an act of recklessness. Semi-understandable recklessness, perhaps, because we all do things we later recognise as daft. But the opportunity to pull over and make the road safe was ignored by the driver. The court should be influenced by that poor choice and the fact it nearly cost a life.

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby Vorpal » 16 Mar 2018, 2:22pm

I think the sentencing is fair, probably more so than in most crashes where a motorist is responsible for severe injury or death of a cyclist.

Remember, the motorist is unlikely to serve more than 6 months of his sentence. And it is important that he received a significant ban and must take an extended retest.

It may seem harsh compared to other motorists who are responsible for crashes, but IMO, it is they who have been treated too mildly, rather than this motorists having been treated too harshly.
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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby Bonefishblues » 16 Mar 2018, 2:34pm

pwa wrote:I'm afraid that I have to take the view that continuing to drive after twice stopping due to drowsiness is an act of recklessness. Semi-understandable recklessness, perhaps, because we all do things we later recognise as daft. But the opportunity to pull over and make the road safe was ignored by the driver. The court should be influenced by that poor choice and the fact it nearly cost a life.

I think that's exactly how the Court saw it.

I've been there in my younger years. The difference was I did pull off the M40 and found somewhere to take a tiny nap because I was lucky enough to recognise the danger, having had a couple of micro-sleeps, which fortunately I had woken up from :shock: (with that exact expression, I suspect). I had however driven home tired many, many times previously, and indeed since.

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby brynpoeth » 16 Mar 2018, 2:47pm

pwa wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I can only agree with the previous three posts,whether a 12month prison sentence is justified or another sentence may have been better is debatable.


I'm afraid that I have to take the view that continuing to drive after twice stopping due to drowsiness is an act of recklesness
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+1
Maybe there should be a poll on this?
It might be good if the dm etc took it up (driving when tired)
Could be that the driver has ruined the cyclists life and his own, it would be interesting to know where both are in a couple of years
Cycling? Of course, but it is far better on a Gillott.. Alternative facts welcome

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby reohn2 » 16 Mar 2018, 3:24pm

There's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's no doubt the driver was driving dangerously,but one has to ask what good does a jail sentence do in this case(and many others IMHO)?
Going off the reports the driver was formerly of good character before the crash,the report also mentions that the cyclist is unabale to work after the crash due to injuries sustained as a result.
Would it not serve society and the cyclist better if the person who caused his suffering was made to suppliment his income to a large extent until he can work again?
Such a sentence along with the driving ban and extended retest,would serve the community and the cyclist much better than sitting locked up in prison 23 hours a day costing the tax payer to keep him and helping no one in particular.
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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby mercalia » 16 Mar 2018, 3:30pm

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby Stevek76 » 16 Mar 2018, 3:48pm

Well I'd like to see a longer ban.

It's always struck me as a little funny that there's been a reasonably successful push to make driving while drunk socially unacceptable but driving while tired, which is just as dangerous, is seen as less of an issue.

Of course, a big factor is enforceability. Once breathalysers were invented it was easy to test for. Tiredness much harder to demonstrate.

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Re: Conwy driver jailed for head-on crash with cyclist

Postby Username » 16 Mar 2018, 4:12pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
pwa wrote:I'm afraid that I have to take the view that continuing to drive after twice stopping due to drowsiness is an act of recklessness. Semi-understandable recklessness, perhaps, because we all do things we later recognise as daft. But the opportunity to pull over and make the road safe was ignored by the driver. The court should be influenced by that poor choice and the fact it nearly cost a life.

I think that's exactly how the Court saw it.

I've been there in my younger years. The difference was I did pull off the M40 and found somewhere to take a tiny nap because I was lucky enough to recognise the danger, having had a couple of micro-sleeps, which fortunately I had woken up from :shock: (with that exact expression, I suspect). I had however driven home tired many, many times previously, and indeed since.


Have you considered sorting yourself out?

reohn2 wrote:There's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's no doubt the driver was driving dangerously,but one has to ask what good does a jail sentence do in this case(and many others IMHO)?
Going off the reports the driver was formerly of good character before the crash,the report also mentions that the cyclist is unabale to work after the crash due to injuries sustained as a result.
Would it not serve society and the cyclist better if the person who caused his suffering was made to suppliment his income to a large extent until he can work again?
Such a sentence along with the driving ban and extended retest,would serve the community and the cyclist much better than sitting locked up in prison 23 hours a day costing the tax payer to keep him and helping no one in particular.
My 2d's worth.


It punishes the person for being negligent. Being in prison is also a physical barrier for putting the public at risk again. You do have a very good point about supplement the cyclists income, but IMO I think its worth the tax money to keep such negligent people out of harms way. Plus the punishment aspect. Sentencing is very weak in this country.