Air horn to deter pedestrians

[robing]

This video seems to be doing the rounds at the moment and has generated the usual anti cyclist venom.
Warning - mild swearing.

https://youtu.be/-6kB8Uu5xMU

In pretty much every case here the cycle lane is a designated part of the road, completely separate from the pavement. The first lot of pedestrians are crossing on a red light. The woman who dropped her can of drink (lol!) was walking down the road when the pavement to her left was completely empty! Pedestrians can be a nightmare for cyclists, they don't look, too busy looking at their phones. The air horn is a bit extreme but it illustrates a point.

[mjr]

What do you feel that point is? That some cyclists are as antisocial as when they're motorists?

[Bez]

What a monumental *** ***. (Or should that be horn end?)

Pedestrians can be a nightmare for cyclists, they don't look, too busy looking at their phones.

To paraphrase your post, I see the video has generated the usual anti-pedestrian venom.

[robing]

The point it illustrates is that pedestrians also jump lights, walk around in a bubble paying no attention to their surroundings and are oblivious to the cycle lanes even when they are part of the road. Would they walk down the middle of the street like that and not expect car drivers to get annoyed?

[mjr]

The point it illustrates is that pedestrians also jump lights, walk around in a bubble paying no attention to their surroundings and are oblivious to the cycle lanes even when they are part of the road. Would they walk down the middle of the street like that and not expect car drivers to get annoyed?

Probably not, but isn't that a sign of a defective streets culture where motoring has succeeded in bullying other users to the margins?

[Bez]

The point it illustrates is that pedestrians also jump lights

Note that it is not illegal to cross on foot if the pelican light is red, unlike crossing a stop line under a red light when using a vehicle. Also, in the context of that example: Highway Code rule 170. The people crossing on foot are not the ones in the wrong.

Would they walk down the middle of the street like that and not expect car drivers to get annoyed?

Can't speak for anyone else, but what I expect and what I find acceptable are two different things. I expect a lot of people to behave like aggressive, arrogant tools, but the fact that I expect it doesn't make their behaviour more acceptable to me.

[robing]

The point it illustrates is that pedestrians also jump lights, walk around in a bubble paying no attention to their surroundings and are oblivious to the cycle lanes even when they are part of the road. Would they walk down the middle of the street like that and not expect car drivers to get annoyed?

Probably not, but isn't that a sign of a defective streets culture where motoring has succeeded in bullying other users to the margins?

But in this video pedestrians are walking in the cycle lane/road when the pavement next to them is empty! I think it just shows that pedestrians need to look where they are going and pay more attention to their surroundings and less attention to their phones.

[mjr]

Probably not, but isn't that a sign of a defective streets culture where motoring has succeeded in bullying other users to the margins?

But in this video pedestrians are walking in the cycle lane/road when the pavement next to them is empty! I think it just shows that pedestrians need to look where they are going and pay more attention to their surroundings and less attention to their phones.

So is that a "no" to my question then?

Under current law, the pavement is (or should be) a sanctuary available for them to use if they want, not a prison that they are confined to. Do you also criticise cyclists who use the carriageway instead of empty cycleways?

[Spicy]

In the highway code it says "Never sound your horn aggressively."

By cycling up close to the pedestrians, and then using an air horn, he is committing common assault against them.

[robing]

But why would you walk along the road - not crossing it - when the pavement is empty next to it? That's just stupid.
Pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety.
Whatever happened to the Green Cross Code?

[reohn2]

IMO that video just shows how uncivilized a country the UK is,the cyclist is as much a moronic idiot as some of the pedestrians.
Is there any hope for us as a nation with such idiots about?

[thirdcrank]

I did start another thread which attracted no interest about this Chinese system for soaking jaywalkers.
https://interestingengineering.com/jayw ... ater-spray

Anyway, why bother with an airhorn if you can shout "Get out of the ************* way!" ?

[Bez]

Pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety.

"Children are the most vulnerable park users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety."

"Women are the most vulnerable nightclub users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety."

"Cyclists are the most vulnerable carriageway users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety."

Or, you know, we could say that it's not about vulnerability, it's about threat; and that those who present the threat—whether that comes in the form of driving/riding a vehicle or having a predatory sexual nature or whatever—should be the ones to take responsibility. And then people become more free, and carefree, to go about their lives, regardless of whether they're being careless or whether they're blind, deaf, mentally or physically disadvantaged, inebriated, or whatever.

[mjr]

But why would you walk along the road - not crossing it - when the pavement is empty next to it? That's just stupid.

Can you really think of no reason why someone would choose to use a wide smooth piece of emptier tarmac with good visibility that gets checked more often and maintained to a higher standard than a narrow rough bit cluttered with posts, bin bags, equipment cabinets, building sites and blind-corner building accesses?

Pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users and need to take more responsibility for their own safety.

So you'd deal with stabbings by designating stab-free zones and handing out anti-knife vests?

Whatever happened to the Green Cross Code?

Hopefully it died with all the other bad 70s road "safety" theatre.

[Debs]

Whatever happened to the Green Cross Code?

It would appear the Green Cross Code Man was; Dave Prowse,
who apparently became Darth Vader in the original Star Wars Trilogy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRUBMBi_lp4