RLJ deaths stat

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mattheus
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RLJ deaths stat

Postby mattheus » 31 Dec 2018, 5:06pm

Interesting letter in the Times Motoring section; anyone know if this is true?

Don't suppose Mr Day of Marsh Baldon* reads this forum??

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(I tweeted this first, just as the easiest way to get it online!)


*he is quite near me - but it's sliiiightly too big a place to just go knocking on doors :(

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby reohn2 » 31 Dec 2018, 6:30pm

That statistic doesn't surprise me in the least.
I've often reasoned that a cyclist RLJing would by virtue of his/her vulnerability not do so in the face of traffic crossing on the opposite green light but would only do so when the opposing road is clear and safe
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby MikeF » 1 Jan 2019, 5:26pm

But motorists don't jump red lights. There must be some mistake in these figures. :?
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby MikeF » 1 Jan 2019, 5:37pm

"It takes a genius to spot the obvious" - my old physics master

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby brynpoeth » 1 Jan 2019, 5:56pm

MikeF wrote:But motorists don't jump red lights. There must be some mistake in these figures. :?

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Yes they do, observed one yesterday :(
If one spent a bit of time observing them one would see many, when the lights are changing to red. A moment later cyclists and walkers get green :?

When cycling often the only safe thing to do is to go a moment before one has green
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby landsurfer » 1 Jan 2019, 6:02pm

In Edinburgh the lights in the city centre give bicycles priority for a short period before cars are allowed to proceed. Works for me ...
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby MikeF » 1 Jan 2019, 11:35pm

brynpoeth wrote:
MikeF wrote:But motorists don't jump red lights. There must be some mistake in these figures. :?

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Yes they do, observed one yesterday :(
If one spent a bit of time observing them one would see many, when the lights are changing to red.
You must be mistaken. :wink:
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby MikeF » 1 Jan 2019, 11:37pm

landsurfer wrote:In Edinburgh the lights in the city centre give bicycles priority for a short period before cars are allowed to proceed. Works for me ...
Sounds a very good idea.
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby Bmblbzzz » 2 Jan 2019, 12:12am


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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby The utility cyclist » 2 Jan 2019, 2:03am

Motorists rules are not always appropriate or safe for non motorists, the way things are gov and plod are still working from outmoded and illogical (sometimes downright dangerous) rules and refuse to budge because they're either too thick, too stubborn, or have an agenda. Personally I think it's all three :evil:

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby rfryer » 2 Jan 2019, 6:41am

landsurfer wrote:In Edinburgh the lights in the city centre give bicycles priority for a short period before cars are allowed to proceed. Works for me ...

Have you any more detail? I live in Edinburgh, and don't recognize this description!

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby landsurfer » 2 Jan 2019, 8:03am

rfryer wrote:
landsurfer wrote:In Edinburgh the lights in the city centre give bicycles priority for a short period before cars are allowed to proceed. Works for me ...

Have you any more detail? I live in Edinburgh, and don't recognize this description!


And I work in Edinburgh and see it every day, especially where I work in the Haymarket area.
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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby rfryer » 2 Jan 2019, 8:56am

landsurfer wrote:And I work in Edinburgh and see it every day, especially where I work in the Haymarket area.

I'll try and cycle round there this week. I've not noticed any cycle-specific signalling around Princes Street.

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby mattheus » 2 Jan 2019, 9:40am

reohn2 wrote:That statistic doesn't surprise me in the least.
I've often reasoned that a cyclist RLJing would by virtue of his/her vulnerability not do so in the face of traffic crossing on the opposite green light but would only do so when the opposing road is clear and safe


Yes!!!

I've absolutely no reason to doubt it from an experience/logic sense - I guess I just wanted to confirm it matches any official source. (I tried google .. to no avail ... )

[2 birds 1 stone/scone: motorists bang on about RLJ, and recently a few have started banging on about cyclists endangering pedestrians ]

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Re: RLJ deaths stat

Postby softlips » 2 Jan 2019, 9:59am

MikeF wrote:
landsurfer wrote:In Edinburgh the lights in the city centre give bicycles priority for a short period before cars are allowed to proceed. Works for me ...
Sounds a very good idea.



They do in London, change for cyclists a couple of seconds before they change for motorised vehicles.