Plea to roadies....

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby peetee » 8 Jan 2019, 12:26pm

Nice one, Cunobelin. Sometimes you need to stand your ground. I did it once after a PC stopped me for allegedly driving through a red lit level crossing. After our discussion it was clear he was actually angling for undue care and attention and I was free to continue on my way.
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby brooksby » 10 Jan 2019, 10:33am

661-Pete wrote:If you're out in force, on a club run on a fine but chilly Winter morn (admirable!)...
And you all gather in a lay-by to 'take five' or whatever (understandable!)...
And a not-so-young cyclist bears down on said lay-by at his usual pootling pace (OK, a bit faster than pootling, it was downhill)...
Please don't all charge out of said lay-by at once, just as not-so-young cyclist draws level....
Not-so-young-cyclist had to swerve right across the road....
Not-so-young-cyclist would take a very dim view, if this manoeuvre were performed by a car. Why should a peloton be so different?


Its funny, I had a similar experience one time. Passing a layby on the road into my village I moved out toward the middle of the lane because there was a group of roadies looking like they were about to pull out. Me in woolly hat, panniers, chunky old hybrid (there are many like it but this one is mine). Seven or eight whippet thin blokes on whippet thin road bikes, lycra, sunglasses and helmets. They pulled out of the layby just as I got level with them, but then didn't overtake me :x ! They just kind of hung in a cloud all around me, which meant I had roadies close behind me (not happy about that, I'm not an experienced group rider), and I couldn't even move over toward the kerb out of their way because there was a line of roadies between me and the kerb. They finally all decided to pull away, but it felt dashed inconsiderate! :roll:

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby mjr » 10 Jan 2019, 10:52am

brooksby wrote:They just kind of hung in a cloud all around me, which meant I had roadies close behind me (not happy about that, I'm not an experienced group rider), and I couldn't even move over toward the kerb out of their way because there was a line of roadies between me and the kerb. They finally all decided to pull away, but it felt dashed inconsiderate! :roll:

I believe it's called swamping (shoaling if it happens when stopped at a traffic light) and it's usually regarded as very poor form. Signal left and see if any of them poo themselves, grab their brakes and clear the line of roadies for you :twisted:
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby The utility cyclist » 12 Jan 2019, 10:17pm

the nouveau cyclist of the last 15 years or so seemingly has a significantly different attitude to that of before, their making up of the faster groups of clubs' riders far too often have become the 'hot hatch w@@@@r' of the bike riding world :twisted:
You can ride fast, hard and in a group, but you can also be courteous and do hazard perception, that meaning the hazard you present to others, far too many are selfish and dangerous, i'd bet a penny to a pound they drive in the same arrogant manner!
Luckily I rarely meet fast club runs, the last one I did wasn't too clever either.

It's not surprising the level of crashes/incidents have increased and sportives are just faux races with ridiculously low standards of riding on display.

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby landsurfer » 12 Jan 2019, 10:56pm

Ah well .. If we fail to change the behaviour of motorists at least we can fight amongst ourselves ..... :roll: ... Bloody Cyclists, nothing but
trouble .......
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 12 Jan 2019, 11:44pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
the nouveau cyclist of the last 15 years or so.



:lol:

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby eileithyia » 13 Jan 2019, 8:46am

landsurfer wrote:Ah well .. If we fail to change the behaviour of motorists at least we can fight amongst ourselves ..... :roll: ... Bloody Cyclists, nothing but
trouble .......

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep divide and rule....
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby The utility cyclist » 13 Jan 2019, 5:53pm

Marcus Aurelius wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
the nouveau cyclist of the last 15 years or so.



:lol:

what do you find funny, there's a significant shift in the way roadies in the last decade and more have changed how they ride, their attitude to safety and not for the better. it's not all but the noddy hat wearing roadie are far worse than the previous generation. Maybe you'd like to share some thoughts on why you think my comment is laughable/funny?

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby brynpoeth » 13 Jan 2019, 7:06pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
the nouveau cyclist of the last 15 years or so.



:lol:

what do you find funny, there's a significant shift in the way roadies in the last decade and more have changed how they ride, their attitude to safety and not for the better. it's not all but the noddy hat wearing roadie are far worse than the previous generation. Maybe you'd like to share some thoughts on why you think my comment is laughable/funny?

40+ years ago we learnt group discipline in clubs that combined racing and touring
Perhaps Club Captains could enforce discipline
I am a bit older now, really don't fancy riding in a big group, especially downhill :?
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 13 Jan 2019, 7:14pm

The utility cyclist wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
the nouveau cyclist of the last 15 years or so.



:lol:

what do you find funny, there's a significant shift in the way roadies in the last decade and more have changed how they ride, their attitude to safety and not for the better. it's not all but the noddy hat wearing roadie are far worse than the previous generation. Maybe you'd like to share some thoughts on why you think my comment is laughable/funny?


I don’t know where to start :lol:

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 13 Jan 2019, 7:14pm

brynpoeth wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:

:lol:

what do you find funny, there's a significant shift in the way roadies in the last decade and more have changed how they ride, their attitude to safety and not for the better. it's not all but the noddy hat wearing roadie are far worse than the previous generation. Maybe you'd like to share some thoughts on why you think my comment is laughable/funny?

40+ years ago we learnt group discipline in clubs that combined racing and touring
Perhaps Club Captains could enforce discipline
I am a bit older now, really don't fancy riding in a big group, especially downhill :?


Quite.

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby The utility cyclist » 14 Jan 2019, 12:43pm

Marcus Aurelius wrote:
The utility cyclist wrote:
Marcus Aurelius wrote:

:lol:

what do you find funny, there's a significant shift in the way roadies in the last decade and more have changed how they ride, their attitude to safety and not for the better. it's not all but the noddy hat wearing roadie are far worse than the previous generation. Maybe you'd like to share some thoughts on why you think my comment is laughable/funny?


I don’t know where to start :lol:

So just trolling then with nothing to contribute ... I see :roll:

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby iainb » 14 Jan 2019, 10:03pm

Stradageek wrote:Sadly often true - cycling along minding my own business I hear a distant shout from behind. I carry on wondering what that was and am soon passed by a pack of clubbies. Do they pass the time of day or say hello? No - the leader of the pack just says "why aren't you wearing a helmet" as does another rider "yea, why aren't you wearing a helmet". Friendly lot aren't they :(


Is the latest thing? Happened to me twice recently, never known it before in over 30 years of riding!!

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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby brynpoeth » 14 Jan 2019, 10:11pm

Do they wait for an answer?
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Re: Plea to roadies....

Postby Tangled Metal » 14 Jan 2019, 11:08pm

Club roadies in full club kit for identifiability often make comments about not wearing helmets. Usually to my partner when cycling with our son. He's not as keen on cycling for leisure these days. I hope that's not linked to obnoxious club chaingangs.

Next time I am present and hear it (not always the case because sometimes I find myself ahead of them waiting) I will contact the club secretary. Well unless I express my opinion on their behaviour when it happens of course. I'm a big lad so not many negative comments get made in my earshot. I think that says a lot about their character don't you? They'll criticise women out of earshot of their partners but not when there's a big fella around who could probably cause them problems.

BTW I firmly believe cyclists are in the majority good people who do behave in considerately. Group mentality does tend to create pack behaviour especially if single sex groups. More women cyclists are needed. All negative cycling group contact was with all male groups in our experience.