Kent Traffic Free Routes?

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Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby londoncommuter0000 » 16 Feb 2019, 4:32pm

Does anyone know if there are places in Kent where one can do a couple of hours cycling, without any cars?

I abhor the motor car. I consider it a blight on our planet. And I have very little patience with the bleating that 'Oh, it has done so much!' Maybe it has. But at the hands of the idiots who are supposed to be 'in control' of it, the motor car has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

But my wife and I fancy a cycle ride tomorrow. If there are routes with no cars, that would be just dandy.

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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby gaz » 16 Feb 2019, 5:14pm

Zero cars, very limited options. Largely traffic free, a few to choose from. Of course it depends how you're travelling to Kent. If your aversion to cars is so great that you won't travel to Kent in one and need to start and finish at a station both lists get shorter.

How far do you expect to cycle in a couple of hours, what sort of surface conditions are you prepared to contemplate?

General info here, select "cycling" from the activities drop-down menu.

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Postby londoncommuter0000 » 16 Feb 2019, 5:22pm

gaz wrote:Zero cars, very limited options. Largely traffic free, a few to choose from. Of course it depends how you're travelling to Kent. If your aversion to cars is so great that you won't travel to Kent in one and need to start and finish at a station both lists get shorter.

How far do you expect to cycle in a couple of hours, what sort of surface conditions are you prepared to contemplate?

General info here, select "cycling" from the activities drop-down menu.


I told my wife about this thread. She said, 'Can you reply to that kind gentleman: "I'm sorry, but I'm a whiny git",'.

Pff. She doesn't know me.

Anyway, thank you!
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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby gaz » 16 Feb 2019, 5:28pm

A small number also appear on : https://vimeo.com/kentconnected

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Postby Jon Lucas » 17 Feb 2019, 7:25am

Catch a train to Gravesend and cycle east along the NCN route following the Thames estuary. This is traffic free for a while, but then takes you onto some wonderfully quiet lanes, where you will meet very few cars, and into the surprisingly lovely countryside of the Hoo peninsula.

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Postby squeaker » 17 Feb 2019, 8:03am

londoncommuter0000 wrote:Does anyone know if there are places in Kent where one can do a couple of hours cycling, without any cars?
A few laps of Betteshanger Country Park? Charles Henry managed 53 in 3 hours last summer :lol:
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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby brynpoeth » 17 Feb 2019, 8:48am

londoncommuter0000 wrote:Does anyone know if there are places in Kent where one can do a couple of hours cycling, without any cars?

I abhor the motor car. I consider it a blight on our planet. And I have very little patience with the bleating that 'Oh, it has done so much!' Maybe it has. But at the hands of the idiots who are supposed to be 'in control' of it, the motor car has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
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Plus One for thread drift before crossing the start line :wink:
Correction: killed millions :(
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Postby ANTONISH » 17 Feb 2019, 8:53am

Jon Lucas wrote:Catch a train to Gravesend and cycle east along the NCN route following the Thames estuary. This is traffic free for a while, but then takes you onto some wonderfully quiet lanes, where you will meet very few cars, and into the surprisingly lovely countryside of the Hoo peninsula.


This is an area local to me and is popular with a lot of cyclists.
The NCN route along the old canal tow path is very pleasant - the surface isn't so good but can be done on a road bike.

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Postby Cugel » 17 Feb 2019, 9:14am

brynpoeth wrote:
londoncommuter0000 wrote:Does anyone know if there are places in Kent where one can do a couple of hours cycling, without any cars?

I abhor the motor car. I consider it a blight on our planet. And I have very little patience with the bleating that 'Oh, it has done so much!' Maybe it has. But at the hands of the idiots who are supposed to be 'in control' of it, the motor car has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
..

Plus One for thread drift before crossing the start line :wink:
Correction: killed millions :(

Don't forget the tens or perhaps hundreds of millions the car has seriously maimed, in it's relatively short history upon Planet Erf. Then there's those who have been made miserable by the death or maiming of their loved ones. And the victims of it's pollutants who are awarded an early death. Also, cars are possibly some of the worst kind of litter, choking everywhere with their parking.

Once upon a time I used to go to London for various working purposes, typically by train from NW England to Euston. I generally stayed at the daughter's hoose, which was then in Barnes. On arrival in Euston I always walked to Barnes, via various routes containing as much park-traversing as possible. It took about 3 hours. Going on Sunday afternoon was best, as the traffic was far lighter then.

When working in London I often walked about of the evening time, gazing tourist-like at the architecture and going to various places of interest. It always amazed me that anyone drove a car anywhere in London. They seemed to spend 60% of the time sat in junction queues, stinking away, with the rest spent accelerating and decelerating madly in between the waiting spots. They all looked very unhappy.

Why are private cars allowed in London at all? The public transport is everywhere. London sans cars would also provide road capacity for 10X the number of bikes, perhaps including cycle rickshaw thingies rather than stinking taxis driven by loons. I often wished I could have cycled about in London rather than walking everywhere. I wouldn't dare. I'm a very experienced cyclist but London cycling looks something of a gauntlet to run.

Cugel, drifting far from the Kent quietway question.

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Postby brynpoeth » 17 Feb 2019, 9:19am

Plus One for walking in towns for fun, it is often quicker than the bus (so what?), and one sees more than cycling

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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby gaz » 17 Feb 2019, 10:03am

Cugel wrote:I generally stayed at the daughter's hoose, ...

Does she have a loose moose? :wink:

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Postby londoncommuter0000 » 17 Feb 2019, 11:40am

Jon Lucas wrote:Catch a train to Gravesend and cycle east along the NCN route following the Thames estuary. This is traffic free for a while, but then takes you onto some wonderfully quiet lanes, where you will meet very few cars, and into the surprisingly lovely countryside of the Hoo peninsula.


This one?

http://www.the-river-thames.org.uk/thames-path-walk-cycle.nsf/cyclingroutes/Greenwich%20to%20Gravesend
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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby londoncommuter0000 » 17 Feb 2019, 11:48am

Cugel wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:
londoncommuter0000 wrote:Does anyone know if there are places in Kent where one can do a couple of hours cycling, without any cars?

I abhor the motor car. I consider it a blight on our planet. And I have very little patience with the bleating that 'Oh, it has done so much!' Maybe it has. But at the hands of the idiots who are supposed to be 'in control' of it, the motor car has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
..

Plus One for thread drift before crossing the start line :wink:
Correction: killed millions :(

Don't forget the tens or perhaps hundreds of millions the car has seriously maimed, in it's relatively short history upon Planet Erf. Then there's those who have been made miserable by the death or maiming of their loved ones. And the victims of it's pollutants who are awarded an early death. Also, cars are possibly some of the worst kind of litter, choking everywhere with their parking.


It has also effectively stopped me from walking anything but short distances. Our big Tesco is a 30 minute walk from here. I could take my big rucksack and walk there. But the route takes me across .. I don't know how many side streets. And of course, once I am crossing any of these side streets, car drivers and motorcyclists are supposed to stop and let me cross. But the drivers and the motorcyclists didn't get the memo. Almost every single time I walk anywhere here, I have the choice: I can accept that I'm a piece of dirt and cede passage to my motorised overlords... or I can stand my ground. When I have tried the latter, I am systematically threatened, and have had vehicles deliberately aimed at me.

Cycling is the same, of course. I could take my tourer with four panniers and go shopping at the Tesco. But since the council here has created loads of places on the actual carriageway where drivers can park their cars legally, there is probably about 70% of the route which is effectively single carriageway. And I have not yet met a driver or motorcyclist here in SE London who will actually stop and let a cyclist past if the latter has priority. They will drive or ride straight at you, in the full knowledge that your instinct not to be killed, means you will back down.

South East London is as close to utter hell on earth, as I can imagine. I absolutely hate it here.

As a result, I almost never walk or cycle. To my utter shame, I have taken the car to drive to the Co-Op, which is seven minutes on foot, just so I can avoid confrontation with drivers.
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Postby Cugel » 17 Feb 2019, 1:16pm

gaz wrote:
Cugel wrote:I generally stayed at the daughter's hoose, ...

Does she have a loose moose? :wink:


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Re: Kent Traffic Free Routes?

Postby Cugel » 17 Feb 2019, 1:25pm

londoncommuter0000 wrote:
Cugel wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Plus One for thread drift before crossing the start line :wink:
Correction: killed millions :(

Don't forget the tens or perhaps hundreds of millions the car has seriously maimed, in it's relatively short history upon Planet Erf. Then there's those who have been made miserable by the death or maiming of their loved ones. And the victims of it's pollutants who are awarded an early death. Also, cars are possibly some of the worst kind of litter, choking everywhere with their parking.


It has also effectively stopped me from walking anything but short distances. Our big Tesco is a 30 minute walk from here. I could take my big rucksack and walk there. But the route takes me across .. I don't know how many side streets. And of course, once I am crossing any of these side streets, car drivers and motorcyclists are supposed to stop and let me cross. But the drivers and the motorcyclists didn't get the memo. Almost every single time I walk anywhere here, I have the choice: I can accept that I'm a piece of dirt and cede passage to my motorised overlords... or I can stand my ground. When I have tried the latter, I am systematically threatened, and have had vehicles deliberately aimed at me.

Cycling is the same, of course. I could take my tourer with four panniers and go shopping at the Tesco. But since the council here has created loads of places on the actual carriageway where drivers can park their cars legally, there is probably about 70% of the route which is effectively single carriageway. And I have not yet met a driver or motorcyclist here in SE London who will actually stop and let a cyclist past if the latter has priority. They will drive or ride straight at you, in the full knowledge that your instinct not to be killed, means you will back down.

South East London is as close to utter hell on earth, as I can imagine. I absolutely hate it here.

As a result, I almost never walk or cycle. To my utter shame, I have taken the car to drive to the Co-Op, which is seven minutes on foot, just so I can avoid confrontation with drivers.


I sympathise. When I visit the daughter and brood, now in Richmond, I find myself completely exhausted after 3 days of people&car pressure. Richmond is possibly less fraught than many other areas of London ("Surrey" as the daughter likes to claim :-) ). Nevertheless it's stuffed with parked cars everywhere, often of the ludicrously expensive ilk, parked on pavements as well as the often narrow roads. In addition, those driving roar about doing 40mph inches from the pavements and those using them. As you mention, many are also ill-mannered, inconsiderate and highly aggressive if delayed by even a few seconds.

There's the congestion and pollutant charges these days. But this doesn't seem to reduce the traffic by any significant amount. Given that drivers of cars seem to spend a very long time doing often very short drives from A to B, where they are then charged two arms and a leg for parking, I just don't understand why anyone wants to use a car. Is it just status? It seems to be in Richmond but that's a queer place stuffed to the brim with strivers in the various rat races.......

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