mattsccm wrote:Have I missed something, the thread is getting rather messy?
It's messily titled! Three different headings in one thread now.
mattsccm wrote:Have I missed something, the thread is getting rather messy?
Bmblbzzz wrote:Here's one of my "favourite" examples of the second method, from Gloucester (the link is to streetview from a few years ago, cos they've now improved this lane by, err, removing it). https://goo.gl/maps/7faAGdGe7f3FAfzS8
Bmblbzzz wrote:mattsccm wrote:Have I missed something, the thread is getting rather messy?
It's messily titled! Three different headings in one thread now.
cotswolds wrote:Bmblbzzz wrote:Here's one of my "favourite" examples of the second method, from Gloucester (the link is to streetview from a few years ago, cos they've now improved this lane by, err, removing it). https://goo.gl/maps/7faAGdGe7f3FAfzS8
Gloucester is up there with the best for rubbish cycle lanes. This is my favourite, still there I believe. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8400684,-2.2421388,3a,75y,59.55h,57.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sE-gxz-1Frnsj3SoncyhdnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Yes, that dashed line does represent a cycle lane.
Further down the same route you can find this. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8155195,-2.2819681,3a,75y,189.18h,70.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3BzedZsBvVjjThFL31oZhg!2e0!5s20090701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Those posts can have no effect on traffic speed, their sole function seems to be to force cyclists into the path of cars. (That's actually old street view. They've "improved" it, not by taking the posts away but by finishing the cycle lane further away from the posts, so it doesn't look quite so silly.)
mjr wrote:I doubted that they were cycle lanes but moving along them, I see bike symbols. Someone at Gloucestershire Highways should be forced to ride them continuously until they agree to widen them!
It's really annoying because we know how to paint roads that are too narrow for cycle lane + carriage lane + carriage lane + cycle lane - you narrow the carriage lane and make cars straddle two lanes carefully: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.74183 ... 312!8i6656
Bmblbzzz wrote:It's really annoying because we know how to paint roads that are too narrow for cycle lane + carriage lane + carriage lane + cycle lane - you narrow the carriage lane and make cars straddle two lanes carefully: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.74183 ... 312!8i6656
Actually I'm not sure I really see the point of that one. You've got a nice wide cycle lane, yes, one in each direction (and look at that smooth surface! Haven't they heard of austerity in Holland? ) but clearly any car that wants to overtake will have to use other half of the road - there's no room for 'in lane' overtaking. So I'm not sure of the point in not just having a normal centre line (or no lines at all)? It kind of looks like bikes are artificially constrained to a smaller portion of the road, which is odd...
mjr wrote:It's really annoying because we know how to paint roads that are too narrow...
Bmblbzzz wrote:It's really annoying because we know how to paint roads that are too narrow for cycle lane + carriage lane + carriage lane + cycle lane - you narrow the carriage lane and make cars straddle two lanes carefully: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.74183 ... 312!8i6656
Actually I'm not sure I really see the point of that one. You've got a nice wide cycle lane, yes, one in each direction (and look at that smooth surface! Haven't they heard of austerity in Holland? ) but clearly any car that wants to overtake will have to use other half of the road - there's no room for 'in lane' overtaking. So I'm not sure of the point in not just having a normal centre line (or no lines at all)? It kind of looks like bikes are artificially constrained to a smaller portion of the road, which is odd...
cotswolds wrote:I cycled something similar in Holland but slightly different. The centre lane was wide enough for motor traffic, which could only move into the cycle lanes if they were empty. Two way road, so if two cars met from opposite directions, and the cycle lanes were busy, they might have to wait. That's what I call proper traffic calming!
Cyclists and perhaps more so cycle clubs have recognized signals for this (hand behind the back pointing the way you've got to move is the one I'm familiar with) but the important question is whether J. Random Motorist would recognize it.
Arm signals
For use when direction indicator signals are not used, or when necessary to reinforce direction indicator signals and stop lights. Also for use by pedal cyclists and those in charge of horses.
(Emphasis preserved.
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