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Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 5 Aug 2019, 9:21pm
by Shoogle
There was a closed road bike event in Glasgow city centre at the weekend. I didn't attend. The local evening newspaper, the Evening Times, reported that "the roads were closed off to normal traffic." Does this make cycling abnormal?

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 5 Aug 2019, 10:09pm
by fastpedaller
According to a local (who runs) cycling isn't normal - so YES it is abnormal :lol:

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 6:34am
by Cunobelin
Shoogle wrote:There was a closed road bike event in Glasgow city centre at the weekend. I didn't attend. The local evening newspaper, the Evening Times, reported that "the roads were closed off to normal traffic." Does this make cycling abnormal?


Normal - all traffic that uses the route may do so
Closed to normal traffic means that a subset of that group is allowed and the rest excluded.

London Marathon is an example, residents only, an incident where only emergency vehicles are allowed, and a thousand other situations, not abnormal at all

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 7:44am
by tony_mm
Ha ha ....

The norm nowadays is still to have cars on the roads...

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 10:12am
by Pete Owens

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 10:16am
by reohn2
fastpedaller wrote:According to a local (who runs) cycling isn't normal - so YES it is abnormal :lol:

Does he have a car?

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 10:20am
by reohn2

How do you figure that one out?
It's was a closed road festival of cycling event much like a carnival,you have the choice to attend or not.

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 11:06am
by rob_wales
The word 'normal' is one of those pathetic excuse words that Rees-Mogg might object to, and quite right too. It is used by people who are too lazy, or stupid to write a sentence that explains accurately what they mean to convey. Other examples are:

Very (Rees-Mogg hates that one)
Average
Somewhat
Sorry
Dunno
Yeah
Hey
Right

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 11:44am
by fastpedaller
reohn2 wrote:
fastpedaller wrote:According to a local (who runs) cycling isn't normal - so YES it is abnormal :lol:

Does he have a car?

He has a hybrid car - It was interesting to see what was under the bonnet!

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 11:49am
by Mike Sales
As the Bonzo Dog sang,
We are normal and we want our freedom


Or Love

We are all normal when we want our freedom.

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 12:43pm
by 661-Pete
I'm inclined to ponder the more general question: "are people who cycle abnormal?" - or more specifically, "are people who cycle perceived as 'abnormal'?" (presumably by those who don't cycle).

Once a week I do a 10-mile-each-way trip to play bridge. I must confess that, along with the shopping and other occasional short journeys, this is as much cycling as I do nowadays :( :oops: . But every time I arrive at bridge, I can guarantee that at least one other player is going to ask me "how was the cycling today Peter?" or "do you find the traffic scary Peter?" or "how long does it take you Peter?" etc. etc.

Of course I know they mean well, so I answer politely (usually). I feel rather inclined to retort "how was the driving today?" or "did you have trouble parking?" or some-such. But I try not to ask 'loaded' questions! Anyway, not all my fellow-players drive to the venue. I have great admiration for one of my regular partners, a guy well into his 80s, who walks right across from the other side of town (and Lewes is very hilly!). Perhaps if he lived a little further off he might even think of taking up cycling - or E-biking or triking - and join the 'abnormal' set!

Did I say "usually"? We all have our weaknesses at times. A couple of weeks ago, when you will remember the temperature was high in the 30s, I didn't cycle, nor did I risk the train: I drove. On that occasion, when about the sixth person asked me "did you cycle today Peter?" - I snapped. :oops: I'm only human!

Of course I haven't really answered the question, "is cycling abnormal?". Just anecdotal stuff...

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 2:27pm
by Ron
Shoogle wrote:. The local evening newspaper, the Evening Times, reported that "the roads were closed off to normal traffic." Does this make cycling abnormal?

Not at all.
It means the roads were closed to people who might normally pass that way en route to home or work, to leisure facilities or shops. regardless of mode of travel. Buses, trams, horse and carriage, scooters, cars, lorries even pedestrians and cyclists not entered for the event would be barred.

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 3:23pm
by Pete Owens
reohn2 wrote:

How do you figure that one out?

simple
organisers wrote:On Sunday 4 August, we closed the roads of Glasgow to traffic

IF the organisers thought that bicycles counted as traffic - normal or otherwise - then
organisers wrote: and hosted a free cycling festival.

would not be possible.

Now I realise this may seem like nit picking, but use of language is important in framing how we view the world. In the same way that crashes should not be referred to as "accidents" (because it tends to imply unavoidable blame free incidents) we need to avoid any references to "traffic" when what is really meant is "motor vehicles". Traffic is important (certainly to those tasked with managing the infrastructure to accommodate it). When the word "traffic" is used casually to refer to motor vehicles then cyclists and pedestrians logically cease to be considered as traffic at all, but rather as obstructions to the flow of traffic which need to be managed out of the way.

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 3:32pm
by reohn2
Pete Owens
You're right it's picking,I'll leave it at that.

Re: Is Cycling Abnormal?

Posted: 6 Aug 2019, 4:02pm
by Pete Owens
reohn2 wrote:Pete Owens
You're right it's picking,I'll leave it at that.


I said "may seem like nit picking". Perhaps I should have been clearer by explicitly continuing "to those who see cyclists as second class citizens".