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Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:00pm
by John Holiday
Just enjoyed a few hours cycling on traffic free NCN route on the Wirral. Hundreds of cyclists and pedestrians out enjoying the sunshine.
Strangely I appeared to be virtually the only cyclist equipped with a bell. All my bikes are fitted with 'Dutch style ding/dong bells,which often elicit favourable comment.
I also have a mirror,but was frequently overtaken by Roadies flying past without warning. Pedestrians are particularly vulnerable.
Why are people so reluctant to fit an audible warning device? Use of a bell would certainly generate a more favourable perception among other users.
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Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:04pm
by Mike Sales
John Holiday wrote:Just enjoyed a few hours cycling on traffic free NCN route on the Wirral. Hundreds of cyclists and pedestrians out enjoying the sunshine.
Strangely I appeared to be virtually the only cyclist equipped with a bell. All my bikes are fitted with 'Dutch style ding/dong bells,which often elicit favourable comment.
I also have a mirror,but was frequently overtaken by Roadies flying past without warning. Pedestrians are particularly vulnerable.
Why are people so reluctant to fit an audible warning device? Use of a bell would certainly generate a more favourable perception among other users.
Share with care!


I find that an appropriate message can be more easily and politely delivered vocally.
I would not think of pushing past someone with only a ding, ding, I like to be sure that my message has been received before overtaking.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:09pm
by Cunobelin
Imagine the carnage a single e-bike would have (allegedly) caused.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:11pm
by Cunobelin
The AirZound.....

RIng bell

Ring bell again

"Excuse me"

"EXCUSE ME"

EXCUSE ME!

Air Zound, and let them dance the funky pedestrian!

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:45pm
by Cugel
Cunobelin wrote:The AirZound.....

RIng bell

Ring bell again

"Excuse me"

"EXCUSE ME"

EXCUSE ME!

Air Zound, and let them dance the funky pedestrian!


I know the funky chicken dance, aka "dad-dancing". Is this pedestrian one as elegant and attractive to comely lady-wimmin'?

A nice ting of the bell from 50 yards back is usually plenty to gain the attention of a walker in front. Some ignore it but for these I slow, stop and engage in a pleasant conversation, eventually pepped up a bit with a little orthogonal dig about good manners. "I like to let walkers know I'm there with a nice ding-ding in plenty of time, as a wheel up the crevice is liked by no one but the perverse." Or similar.

Thrusting Strava-strivers in such a situation are tiresome. I have chased one or two down, at times when the path clears of walkers, just to give it a leksha. They don't like it .... but I do. Just another wee hobby really. :-)

I think you and your horn are quite rude, by the way. Consider yourself leksha'd. Oh yes you are!

Cugel

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 5:17pm
by mjr
They're probably reluctant to use bells because of all the criticism from CTC types who think bawling at walkers cryptic stuff like "Anya Wright" is more polite than a melodious ring. ;)

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 5:29pm
by Oldjohnw
Bells are from a gentler time. Bring 'em on! Why on earth people need to shout and rant and pick fights is beyond me.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 5:33pm
by Mike Sales
mjr wrote:They're probably reluctant to use bells because of all the criticism from CTC types who think bawling at walkers cryptic stuff like "Anya Wright" is more polite than a melodious ring. ;)


You make some extreme assumptions in pursuit of your hobby horse.
"Bawling" at people is not the only alternative to the tuneless jingle jangle of a bell.
Myself I prefer "excuse me" to "on your right" or even to the preremptory demand of a bell.
I feel that approach is how one should interact with another human being.
I am always prepared to trickle along at walking speed until the path is clear.
I find this sort of consideration nearly always gets a civilised response, and if it doesn't, then so much the worse for the oaf.

I do not like the way motorists behave towards cyclists on the road, and I don't want to behave in a similar way towards pedestrians on a shared path.
No "poop poop", no "ding dong, ding dong".

If one has time and spare digits enough to ring, then one has time enough to brake.

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Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 5:56pm
by sjs
Mike Sales wrote:
mjr wrote:They're probably reluctant to use bells because of all the criticism from CTC types who think bawling at walkers cryptic stuff like "Anya Wright" is more polite than a melodious ring. ;)


You make some extreme assumptions in pursuit of your hobby horse.
"Bawling" at people is not the only alternative to the tuneless jingle jangle of a bell.
Myself I prefer "excuse me" to "on your right" or even the preremptory demand of a bell.
I feel that approach is how one should interact with another human being.
I am always prepared to trickle along at walking speed until the path is clear.
I find this sort of consideration nearly always gets a civilised response, and if it doesn't, then so much the worse for the oaf.

I do not like the way motorists behave towards cyclists on the road, and I don't want to behave in a similar way towards pedestrians on a shared path.
No "poop poop", no "ding dong, ding dong".

If one has time and spare digits enough to ring, then one has time enough to brake.

.


Could not agree more.
Walkers wearing earphones can be more or less impervious to any kind of warning though. They can only be overtaken at a speed marginally greater than they're walking, and always being prepared for a slight jump in a random direction when they notice you.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 6:11pm
by Spinners
I have a pinger bell on my hybrid and it's surprising how many pedestrians react to it by patting down their pockets to find their mobile phone.

On my road bike I find that shouting something like, "I'm chasing a KOM" works best.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 6:36pm
by mjr
Mike Sales wrote:
mjr wrote:They're probably reluctant to use bells because of all the criticism from CTC types who think bawling at walkers cryptic stuff like "Anya Wright" is more polite than a melodious ring. ;)


You make some extreme assumptions in pursuit of your hobby horse.
"Bawling" at people is not the only alternative to the tuneless jingle jangle of a bell.
Myself I prefer "excuse me" to "on your right" or even to the preremptory demand of a bell.

Preremptory isn't a word, is it? Anyway, a bell is neither preemptory nor peremptory, unlike an "excuse me".

No assumptions. Just experience. I would much prefer a bell from a suitable distance than someone sneaking up to within speaking distance or shouting from further away.

I am always prepared to trickle along at walking speed until the path is clear.

As am I. Path or road. Bells are a warning of passing, not a get-out-of-my-way.

I find this sort of consideration nearly always gets a civilised response, and if it doesn't, then so much the worse for the oaf.

Well, if you sneak up on me walking, my stick will bar your way. I guess that makes me an oaf in your eyes. Never mind - I'll live.

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 6:48pm
by Mick F
Riding along a quiet lane. Not flying along, just riding nicely.
Two walkers in front going the same way as me.
I dinged my bell.
I dinged my bell.
I dinged my bell.
I dinged my bell.
I came up behind them and said, "Excuse me please".

They jumped out of their skin!
.......... and one of them said, "I wondered what that ringing noise was!"

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 7:00pm
by Cyril Haearn
Did you have one that just goes 'ping'?
A proper bell goes dringgaling
Maybe one should practice ringing it properly :wink:

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 7:01pm
by Cyril Haearn
Cunobelin wrote:The AirZound.....

RIng bell

Ring bell again

"Excuse me"

"EXCUSE ME"

EXCUSE ME!

Air Zound, and let them dance the funky pedestrian!

Nothing funny about that, could cause an innocent PoF to have a heart attack

Re: Bells on bikes

Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 7:03pm
by Bonefishblues
Cyril Haearn wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:The AirZound.....

RIng bell

Ring bell again

"Excuse me"

"EXCUSE ME"

EXCUSE ME!

Air Zound, and let them dance the funky pedestrian!

Nothing funny about that, could cause an innocent PoF to have a heart attack

We find common cause. Statistically, it had to happen sometime :D