Parking on the pavement to be banned!

[Postboxer]

You just schedule the ban to start in the future, so people have notice and time to make arrangements and councils etc have time to plan car parking in other places. Or maybe ban it for people moving to a street or people getting a new car?

[Cyril Haearn]

You just schedule the ban to start in the future, so people have notice and time to make arrangements and councils etc have time to plan car parking in other places. Or maybe ban it for people moving to a street or people getting a new car?

Right again Postboxer
Simples, lots of dual carriageways are quiet at night, plenty of space to park in the first lane, plus ten minutes healthy walk home after

[mjr]

You just schedule the ban to start in the future, so people have notice and time to make arrangements and councils etc have time to plan car parking in other places. Or maybe ban it for people moving to a street or people getting a new car?

Right again Postboxer
Simples, lots of dual carriageways are quiet at night, plenty of space to park in the first lane, plus ten minutes healthy walk home after

The problem with night time only parking is people then feel trapped into driving to work because their car can't stay there all day while they walk or cycle or bus or train.

[Cyril Haearn]

Simples, they can leave it there, a whole lane in each direction is still free

[RichK]

I can't see this one happening with the current government. Too much opposition from the association of bad drivers and the car lobby in general.

[pwa]

It isn't going to happen in Wales because it will take too much organising. There will have to be exceptions because of the legacy of narrow residential streets with no alternative parking, but identifying those streets and creating the legal recognition, with signage, will be tediously slow when other similar improvements, such as changes to speed limits, already take an age. I don't know why these things take so long to happen but they do.

As already suggested, where there really isn't room for parking on particularly narrow residential streets, but parking is needed, removal of the token footpath and the creation of a shared space is probably the best compromise. But it requires very low vehicle speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756318 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is the sort of street I mean. There is no real alternative parking within reasonable distance. There is no through traffic, so the only cars and vans are locals or their visitors wanting access. Shared space seems most practical. You have to imagine wider vehicles like bin lorries and fire engines wanting to get past.

Here is a variation on the same theme nearby. Cars not parked on the pavement but can you guess what the bin lorry has to do when it goes up this street? If it were a shared use space I think it would work better. It is just a mess as it is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5740214 ... 6?hl=en-GB

[Bmblbzzz]

Plenty of those streets in England too.

[John1054]

Should have posted this yesterday, all of the posts relating to shared space have been moved to "shared space" thread.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=135754#p1448015

[pete75]

The Ask The Police website says "It should also be noted that unless you are accessing your property via a lowered kerb driveway, it is an offence to drive on the pavement even for a short distance.". Any vehicle parked on the pavement has driven on it to get there and will drive on it to get off it so it would seem they've broken the law to do it.

Of course all pavement parking should be banned unless it's required for a short period for deliveries or it's the easiest way to get a disabled person into a vehicle.

[pete75]

It isn't going to happen in Wales because it will take too much organising. There will have to be exceptions because of the legacy of narrow residential streets with no alternative parking, but identifying those streets and creating the legal recognition, with signage, will be tediously slow when other similar improvements, such as changes to speed limits, already take an age. I don't know why these things take so long to happen but they do.

As already suggested, where there really isn't room for parking on particularly narrow residential streets, but parking is needed, removal of the token footpath and the creation of a shared space is probably the best compromise. But it requires very low vehicle speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756318 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is the sort of street I mean. There is no real alternative parking within reasonable distance. There is no through traffic, so the only cars and vans are locals or their visitors wanting access. Shared space seems most practical. You have to imagine wider vehicles like bin lorries and fire engines wanting to get past.

Here is a variation on the same theme nearby. Cars not parked on the pavement but can you guess what the bin lorry has to do when it goes up this street? If it were a shared use space I think it would work better. It is just a mess as it is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5740214 ... 6?hl=en-GB

The streets in those pictures should be double yellow lined to ban parking altogether.

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,

It isn't going to happen in Wales because it will take too much organising. There will have to be exceptions because of the legacy of narrow residential streets with no alternative parking, but identifying those streets and creating the legal recognition, with signage, will be tediously slow when other similar improvements, such as changes to speed limits, already take an age. I don't know why these things take so long to happen but they do.

As already suggested, where there really isn't room for parking on particularly narrow residential streets, but parking is needed, removal of the token footpath and the creation of a shared space is probably the best compromise. But it requires very low vehicle speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756318 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is the sort of street I mean. There is no real alternative parking within reasonable distance. There is no through traffic, so the only cars and vans are locals or their visitors wanting access. Shared space seems most practical. You have to imagine wider vehicles like bin lorries and fire engines wanting to get past.

Here is a variation on the same theme nearby. Cars not parked on the pavement but can you guess what the bin lorry has to do when it goes up this street? If it were a shared use space I think it would work better. It is just a mess as it is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5740214 ... 6?hl=en-GB

The streets in those pictures should be double yellow lined to ban parking altogether.

If those car mirrors are as close as it appears the pavement has long been useless
You park somewhere else and walk to your house.

Parking on pavements when no other car is on the street is now has now for some time been acceptable norm of $%&* drivers.

[pwa]

It isn't going to happen in Wales because it will take too much organising. There will have to be exceptions because of the legacy of narrow residential streets with no alternative parking, but identifying those streets and creating the legal recognition, with signage, will be tediously slow when other similar improvements, such as changes to speed limits, already take an age. I don't know why these things take so long to happen but they do.

As already suggested, where there really isn't room for parking on particularly narrow residential streets, but parking is needed, removal of the token footpath and the creation of a shared space is probably the best compromise. But it requires very low vehicle speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756318 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is the sort of street I mean. There is no real alternative parking within reasonable distance. There is no through traffic, so the only cars and vans are locals or their visitors wanting access. Shared space seems most practical. You have to imagine wider vehicles like bin lorries and fire engines wanting to get past.

Here is a variation on the same theme nearby. Cars not parked on the pavement but can you guess what the bin lorry has to do when it goes up this street? If it were a shared use space I think it would work better. It is just a mess as it is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5740214 ... 6?hl=en-GB

The streets in those pictures should be double yellow lined to ban parking altogether.

You speak as someone who can afford to have a house with a drive. Not everyone can.

[bigjim]

We could always go back to tree lined streets, which would be rather nice. I live in a Grove. So called because of the many trees. Dutch Elm disease killed them all. I have asked for them to be re-instated but told that it would cause difficulties for the cars that wanted to park on the pavement. There you go.

[pwa]

Hi,

It isn't going to happen in Wales because it will take too much organising. There will have to be exceptions because of the legacy of narrow residential streets with no alternative parking, but identifying those streets and creating the legal recognition, with signage, will be tediously slow when other similar improvements, such as changes to speed limits, already take an age. I don't know why these things take so long to happen but they do.

As already suggested, where there really isn't room for parking on particularly narrow residential streets, but parking is needed, removal of the token footpath and the creation of a shared space is probably the best compromise. But it requires very low vehicle speed.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756318 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is the sort of street I mean. There is no real alternative parking within reasonable distance. There is no through traffic, so the only cars and vans are locals or their visitors wanting access. Shared space seems most practical. You have to imagine wider vehicles like bin lorries and fire engines wanting to get past.

Here is a variation on the same theme nearby. Cars not parked on the pavement but can you guess what the bin lorry has to do when it goes up this street? If it were a shared use space I think it would work better. It is just a mess as it is.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5740214 ... 6?hl=en-GB

The streets in those pictures should be double yellow lined to ban parking altogether.

If those car mirrors are as close as it appears the pavement has long been useless
You park somewhere else and walk to your house.

Parking on pavements when no other car is on the street is now has now for some time been acceptable norm of $%&* drivers.[/quote
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pwa reply:

I have been up those streets many times and it is my impression that nearly every house has a car, so that is local people deciding for themselves how to do things in their own streets. You can get angry about it because you don't have to live with the reality of a street that narrow. I once had to reverse a minibus with a trailer up the first street so I have been inconvenienced by the parking situation but that is people making the best of a less than ideal situation. It isn't a widely accepted local thing in that area to park on the pavement. You will find nearby wider streets where the pavements are clear.

This is the more common situation locally. I pick Pant Street in Pantygog because I like the names.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6039131 ... 6?hl=en-GB
This is how local people park when they feel they can. Pavement parking in that valley is not the default, it is the exception.

[kwackers]

so that is local people deciding for themselves how to do things in their own streets.

Local car drivers, not quite the same as "local people".

Herd mentality is often the real reason things like that happen.
Even folk who park on pavements will often voice the opinion it should be banned and that's before the non-car owning local people are asked what they think.
If there's a valid reason to park on a pavement then there's a good case to put forward to the local council to allow it.

Anyway taken to extremes you could argue that most 'crime' is local and thus is simply "local people" deciding how to live their lives.