mattsccm wrote:I can't help but to disagree with the Utility cyclist in one respect. Not to speak is plain rude. It gives no warning to those you are passing that you are there and being surprised isn't nice. Courtesy to the other person if nothing else.It's for their benefit as much as yours.
I don't disagree that the overtaker has responsibility for their actions but the world is full of idiots and they turn around when surprised. Often into you. Creeping up on them is not being clever, its missing a trick.
As to what to say, "left" gives nothing. "On your left" says everything.
Bells are bloody useless. So often am I told by some dozy so and so, (usually elderly ) that as I should ring my bell after I have. I quick example and an "I did" just gets a grunt. A nice polite " morning" is all it needs unless you are ignored. Then it's "excuse me please". Never needed anything else in 4 decades.
Why is it rude, I won't warn someone if it's not needed though I might say hello/greeting if we catch each others eyes, would you say hello/warn everyone on the footway as you're passing them on foot, no you wouldn't, you wouldn't do it in a car passing a cyclist either and there's no need to do it with other cyclists either on your journey. In any case you might pass a 100 people, would you give a greeting to everyone?
Please explain why it is deemed rude to not speak/greet someone you are simply going straight past and they've not had to deviate in any way and not felt fear of harm because you were doing what you should? if someone comes past me safely I expect nothing, if they don't say a greeting why is that rude, I don't know the person, if they say hello, I'll return the favour, but I'm not bothered one iota if it doesn't occur.
Seems to me there's too many who are bothered/find rude by the slightest things, christ when I mentioned tapping someone on the shoulder the other week. One of the few situations that you would need to speak to people is when there is no obvious safe passing spot for any distance ahead, simply asking people if you can get past and you've slowed down to their speed (so 2-3mph if need be) or in the tapping on shoulder scenario if the person is deaf/headphones in. Someone responded stating this was scary/startling or whatever descriptive they used, really, tapping someone on the shoulder gently and saying excuse me is scary
it's an extreme example but one of the few times were interaction is required, otherwise, no, it's not and it's not rude if you don't say something.