Cunobelin wrote:tim-b wrote:HiI have asked this before...
Is having a dark cloured car with a proven increase in accident rate "Darwinism in action"?
Is walking across a Supermarket car park, where risk assessments for staff require HiViz "Darwinism in action"?
No, surrounded by a tonne of metal and all-manner of safety features as compared to 10kg of bike
No, at slow speeds (see the twentys plenty campaign for stats on this)
Thank you, it does not answer the question though.
All that this does is imply that cyclists have to wear HiViz because they are failing to protect themselves. Injuries and deaths due to the same lack of visibility is acceptable for car drivers though
As for Supermarket car parks, the same applies, why when there are formal risk assessments in place, requiring HiViz for pedestrians, should pedestrians not have to wear them. As for comparing the slow speed manoeuvring in car parks with open roads, it is not the same. According to the RAC Insurance, 16 % of damage accident claims occur in car parks. They are far from safe. They were chosen because of the increased danger
For we cyclists the question is: should we find things to make us safe then use them, even if in an ideal world there is no need for such things? Or should we "take a stand" and resist all devices and expectations to deal with the real world as it is in an attempt to force the ideal world into existence?
The choice is complicated by the question: do the various devices provided for cyclists to increase their safety actually work in the world as it is; or do they induce the opposite of the intent by actually increasing the dangers?
Put those questions together, with a few others that are pertinent, and you soon realise the answer to hi-viz or not is impossible to obtain if the intent is to reduce risk whilst cycling. Impossible to get the answer; one way or the other.
This is the nature of reality. Once dynamic factors involved get to three or more, their interactions are impossible (not just difficult) to predict. Impossible. Just ask Maxwell's Daemon.