Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

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Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby mercalia » 15 Jan 2020, 5:59pm

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby gaz » 15 Jan 2020, 7:32pm

Any time you're Lambeth way
Any evening, any day
You'll find the plod
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby willswitchengage » 15 Jan 2020, 8:17pm

It's in the Highway Code, sure, but are Highway Code contraventions criminal offences?

Wiki puzzles me.

A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of The Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the [1981 c. 14.] Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the [1985 c. 67.] Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings.[5]


Maybe I should ask one of the lawyer motorists who often feel the need to exclaim from their passing window that I shouldn't be riding on the road.

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby willswitchengage » 15 Jan 2020, 8:20pm

willswitchengage wrote:It's in the Highway Code, sure, but are Highway Code contraventions criminal offences?

Wiki puzzles me.

A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of The Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the [1981 c. 14.] Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the [1985 c. 67.] Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings.[5]


Maybe I should ask one of the lawyer motorists who often feel the need to exclaim from their passing window that I shouldn't be riding on the road.


Well I clearly read the sign well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Act_1835

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby gaz » 15 Jan 2020, 8:24pm

I see you've been researching whilst I was typing and correctly concluded that it's an offence in law to cycle on a footway, as quoted on the sign. The legality of the sign may be another matter but the sign isn't required for enforcement. It can only be enforced by the police/PCSOs.

I'd suggest that either there is a particular issue at this location or London Borough of Lambeth have a general dislike of cyclists.
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby mercalia » 15 Jan 2020, 9:20pm

gaz wrote:I see you've been researching whilst I was typing and correctly concluded that it's an offence in law to cycle on a footway, as quoted on the sign. The legality of the sign may be another matter but the sign isn't required for enforcement. It can only be enforced by the police/PCSOs.

I'd suggest that either there is a particular issue at this location or London Borough of Lambeth have a general dislike of cyclists.



its on a lamp post outside Lidls near the Library. Not sure if there are other such signs around, I see that one as as I said it is out side Lidls. It would be better if they put a " no begging" sign there as you get alot of people begging outside Lidls there

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby mjr » 15 Jan 2020, 10:51pm

gaz wrote:I see you've been researching whilst I was typing and correctly concluded that it's an offence in law to cycle on a footway, as quoted on the sign.

The sign actually says footpath, which is incorrect.

The legality of the sign may be another matter but the sign isn't required for enforcement. It can only be enforced by the police/PCSOs.

The sign looks like a legal white on blue information sign to me. The regulations allow quite a lot of variation in them.

I'd suggest that either there is a particular issue at this location or London Borough of Lambeth have a general dislike of cyclists.

Either? Might be both.
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby foxyrider » 16 Jan 2020, 10:13am

mercalia wrote:
gaz wrote:I see you've been researching whilst I was typing and correctly concluded that it's an offence in law to cycle on a footway, as quoted on the sign. The legality of the sign may be another matter but the sign isn't required for enforcement. It can only be enforced by the police/PCSOs.

I'd suggest that either there is a particular issue at this location or London Borough of Lambeth have a general dislike of cyclists.



its on a lamp post outside Lidls near the Library. Not sure if there are other such signs around, I see that one as as I said it is out side Lidls. It would be better if they put a " no begging" sign there as you get alot of people begging outside Lidls there


Is there bike parking at Lidl? if there is you are legally allowed to ride across the pavement to that provision.

I wonder if they are enforcing this for all wheeled transport that is not allowed on pavements or just bikes?
Convention? what's that then?
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby mattheus » 16 Jan 2020, 2:53pm

I may get some similar signs made up (with the Driving bit), and nail them to the cars parked on pavements round our way.

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Postby mjr » 16 Jan 2020, 4:45pm

mattheus wrote:I may get some similar signs made up (with the Driving bit), and nail them to the cars parked on pavements round our way.

Just pop to a joke shop and buy some parking tickets: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Pack-of-6- ... 1756193127
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby rbrian » 16 Jan 2020, 4:46pm

mattheus wrote:I may get some similar signs made up (with the Driving bit), and nail them to the cars parked on pavements round our way.


It's easiest to hammer the nails into the tyres - the glass is too brittle, and the metal bounces too much. Use screws to attach them to the bodywork.
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby The utility cyclist » 16 Jan 2020, 6:02pm

But I thought ancient cycling 'laws' were out of date, or is that only when it suits prosecutors and joe public with which to bash cyclists even harder with in a discriminatory way. :roll:
We already know that police and civil agents act in a discriminatory manner toward people on bikes when it comes to enforcing the rules/laws with disproportionate number of penalties compared to motorists who just go about doing what they do however they like.
A typical example is this :twisted:
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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby pete75 » 16 Jan 2020, 6:53pm

foxyrider wrote:
mercalia wrote:
gaz wrote:I see you've been researching whilst I was typing and correctly concluded that it's an offence in law to cycle on a footway, as quoted on the sign. The legality of the sign may be another matter but the sign isn't required for enforcement. It can only be enforced by the police/PCSOs.

I'd suggest that either there is a particular issue at this location or London Borough of Lambeth have a general dislike of cyclists.



its on a lamp post outside Lidls near the Library. Not sure if there are other such signs around, I see that one as as I said it is out side Lidls. It would be better if they put a " no begging" sign there as you get alot of people begging outside Lidls there


Is there bike parking at Lidl? if there is you are legally allowed to ride across the pavement to that provision.

I wonder if they are enforcing this for all wheeled transport that is not allowed on pavements or just bikes?


Lidl have a road junction to get to the car park so no problem cycling in. There's obviously plenty of room to park a bike.

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby Mick F » 16 Jan 2020, 7:24pm

mjr wrote:
mattheus wrote:I may get some similar signs made up (with the Driving bit), and nail them to the cars parked on pavements round our way.

Just pop to a joke shop and buy some parking tickets: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Pack-of-6- ... 1756193127
Brilliant! :D

There's a car up the A390 from Gunnislake that continually parks by the road the wrong way round.
Not illegal during daylight hours but very illegal during hours of darkness.

I took the liberty a few weeks ago of putting leaflet under the wipers stating the HC rule 248.
Rule 248
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.


Passed it a couple of days later, and the leaflet had gone, but the car is STILL being parked the wrong way round 24/7
Put a parking ticket on it eh?
What a hoot! :D

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Re: Beware Ye Who Ride On Pathes in Lambeth

Postby mattheus » 17 Jan 2020, 8:57am

rbrian wrote:
mattheus wrote:I may get some similar signs made up (with the Driving bit), and nail them to the cars parked on pavements round our way.


It's easiest to hammer the nails into the tyres - the glass is too brittle, and the metal bounces too much. Use screws to attach them to the bodywork.

Always useful to hear the voice of experience. Cheers.