Watch out for bushes

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Watch out for bushes

Postby tykeboy2003 » 18 Jan 2020, 4:04pm

On monday, cycling home from work I got myself tangled up in a bush which was growing out over the edge of the road - result, spectacular crash, cracked skull, broken shoulder blade and several cracked ribs. Got out of hospital yesterday and seem to be mending well, look like I've done 10 rounds with Mike Tyson.

Is it worth raising this with the local council?

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby reohn2 » 18 Jan 2020, 4:51pm

OUCH! :shock:
Get well soon,I would definitely report to the council and get in touch with a solicitor to see if there's any chance of a claim.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 18 Jan 2020, 5:14pm

Bushes are a bit of a grey area. They are natural, if it had been an unmarked kerb, pot hole, or sticky outy fence, it would be more clear cut. Still let the council know, take photos, and get their ( and your ) legal eagles involved.

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby pwa » 18 Jan 2020, 5:17pm

Another question is whose bush it is. Is it growing from council land?

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby mattheus » 18 Jan 2020, 5:46pm

It would be a public service to let them know; CUK has an online facility that's pretty quick/easy (fixthathole maybe? It's for all kinds of hazards!)

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby mjr » 18 Jan 2020, 6:16pm

http://www.fixmystreet.com but some rubbish councils (Essex) don't reply to reports from it and you have to go through their own rubbish harder-to-use website.

You'll probably only be able to claim successfully if you can show it was already reported or it had been there and dangerous so long that a routine (possibly annual) inspection missed it.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby dim » 18 Jan 2020, 7:31pm

tykeboy2003 wrote:On monday, cycling home from work I got myself tangled up in a bush which was growing out over the edge of the road - result, spectacular crash, cracked skull, broken shoulder blade and several cracked ribs. Got out of hospital yesterday and seem to be mending well, look like I've done 10 rounds with Mike Tyson.

Is it worth raising this with the local council?


Ouch! ... did this happen in the dark?

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby peetee » 18 Jan 2020, 9:16pm

The council or the highways authority have a duty to maintain clear sight lines adjacent to junctions and on bends and visibility of signs on roads so if, by chance, your offending vegetation contravenes either of these points you stand a better chance of a claim.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 18 Jan 2020, 10:45pm

Hi,
peetee wrote:The council or the highways authority have a duty to maintain clear sight lines adjacent to junctions and on bends and visibility of signs on roads so if, by chance, your offending vegetation contravenes either of these points you stand a better chance of a claim.

Unless its a junction of a cycle path to a road and a café sign on private land is obscuring view of oncoming cars :evil:

They copped out of their responsibility and said the sign is on private land.
Even though the café is fighting planning permission with the council for the café to stay there :?
Private land is behind a farmers fence.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby peetee » 18 Jan 2020, 10:56pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
peetee wrote:The council or the highways authority have a duty to maintain clear sight lines adjacent to junctions and on bends and visibility of signs on roads so if, by chance, your offending vegetation contravenes either of these points you stand a better chance of a claim.

Unless its a junction of a cycle path to a road and a café sign on private land is obscuring view of oncoming cars :evil:

They copped out of their responsibility and said the sign is on private land.
Even though the café is fighting planning permission with the council for the café to stay there :?
Private land is behind a farmers fence.

Yep. I should have been clearer. By that I meant any land within the highway boundary (eg verges) should be kept clear to maintain sight lines.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 18 Jan 2020, 11:02pm

Hi,
peetee wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
peetee wrote:The council or the highways authority have a duty to maintain clear sight lines adjacent to junctions and on bends and visibility of signs on roads so if, by chance, your offending vegetation contravenes either of these points you stand a better chance of a claim.

Unless its a junction of a cycle path to a road and a café sign on private land is obscuring view of oncoming cars :evil:

They copped out of their responsibility and said the sign is on private land.
Even though the café is fighting planning permission with the council for the café to stay there :?
Private land is behind a farmers fence.

Yep. I should have been clearer. By that I meant any land within the highway boundary (eg verges) should be kept clear to maintain sight lines.

Wasn't knocking you at all, just a rant at council for allowing such a sign to obscure good sight of oncoming traffic.
The bloody sign is meant to attract persons to the café adjacent to cycle path, the exiting cyclist see a sign at eye level with traffic coming one side from behind them, its not a good exit on a very busy rat run.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby peetee » 18 Jan 2020, 11:12pm

If it’s a private driveway the council has no obligation As it’s not a sight line belonging to them - even if it joins a highway. Best contact the signs owner and ask it to be moved or lowered. If they express lack of interest get a petition going amongst local cyclists. Hopefully with knowledge of that they will see the potential for lost business.
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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby ambodach » 19 Jan 2020, 11:10am

A few years ago my van was written off by an army cadet minibus being driven round a blind bend far too fast. I had stopped as it was a single track road. Vision was obscured by some bushes and the attending police officer said that the local council would do nothing unless there were 4 or more accidents at that spot. My van was 3rd and sure enough after the next bump the vegetation was cut back.

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby Darkman » 19 Jan 2020, 12:56pm

A lot of councils have stopped cutting hedges/grass now because apparently they can't afford to do it. It's definitely worth pointing out the danger to them, and the accident it's caused.

Near me there's a junction on a bend where we go out onto the main road. It's a 60mph limit, but anything coming round the corner at that speed is not going to see you and stop in time. I've told them it's an accident waiting to happen many times but they just said "there hasn't been an accident there yet so we're not going to do anything". Reported it to Lincs Road Safety Partnership and they said exactly the same. :?

It should be a 40 limit, max.

Anyway, on the junction two years ago they announced they were no longer cutting the grass. One of the neighbours cut it last, when the grass and weeds got to over three feet tall so you just couldn't see what was coming.

It's only a matter of time. I've had numerous near-misses. But obviously saving money is more important to them than people's lives. :roll:

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Re: Watch out for bushes

Postby foxyrider » 19 Jan 2020, 7:27pm

and trees! over the last few months riding around North Somerset / South Glos i've had very close encounters with trees both live and dead encroaching onto the carriageway even on busy A roads (the A46 springs to mind but its far from alone.) On Friday i passed a tractor doing some agressive tree/hedge trimming up near Cirencester leaving a trail of branches strewn across the verge and road edges.

Sometimes its not the councils saving money, its their operatives stupidity, its not just roads of course, the council cleared a fallen tree from the Bristol Bath track a couple of weeks ago leaving countless large splinters and bits of wood across the roadway - its a cycle path for heavens sake, 2 minutes with a broom would've made it safe.
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