Police / video evidence

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Police / video evidence

Postby Thornberg » 28 May 2020, 3:39pm

A tractor driver recently forced me off the road, so I reported it to Gloucestershire Police using their online facility. I followed it up later with an email to see if any action had been taken but they said the incident had been 'noted' which I can't say I found very reassuring. They also said that video footage would have been useful. I am concerned that some forces may be over relying on video evidence which in most cases won't exist.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby Peter F » 28 May 2020, 6:32pm

With all due respect, without any evidence what action do you expect the Police to take?
If there are other independent reports then they may well have a word, but as it stands you could just have a problem with him.and be trying to get him into trouble.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby hemo » 28 May 2020, 6:45pm

Sadly yes without evidence or witnesses it is one persons word against another's, the tractor driver could simply claim/say it was a SMIDSY incident.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby eileithyia » 28 May 2020, 7:45pm

Long before days of on bike cameras etc., I was forced to a stop and the driver was out of the car in a flash and had his hands around my neck...
(I had cussed him for cutting me up a few mins earlier), I was left shaking with a mix of fear and anger... reported to the police but again without evidence (winter I had a scarf so not even any bruising) there was little they could do... though they do haul him for questioning and think he got the idea that abusing young women in dark lanes was probably not advisable in future....

So sorry without evidence or witnesses you are not going to get very far...
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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby ossie » 28 May 2020, 8:00pm

Had one bouncing down the road today with the large shovel bit ready to decapitate me, he slowed slightly but my experience is most tractor drivers don't give a stuff and would quite happily force a cyclist off the road . This is usually by Intimidation when behind you (revving the hell out of said tractor) simply not slowing, moving or giving an inch when approaching on narrow roads.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby atlas_shrugged » 28 May 2020, 8:22pm

Cambs, Herts, Beds police on-record as ignoring video evidence from cyclists e.g. of close passes.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby NUKe » 28 May 2020, 8:36pm

It is very difficult to get a prosecution from a close pass, rom a cyclists videos as they don’t really show the distance, so even junior barrister can argue against them.
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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby mjr » 28 May 2020, 10:30pm

NUKe wrote:It is very difficult to get a prosecution from a close pass, rom a cyclists videos as they don’t really show the distance, so even junior barrister can argue against them.

But they are still excellent for proving illegal "brake test" attacks, road rage, left hooks, right crosses and jumping stop lines, among others.

And a camera means I don't have to stop to take pictures of things needing repair, or things that might not photo well.
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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby eileithyia » 29 May 2020, 9:51am

NUKe wrote:It is very difficult to get a prosecution from a close pass, rom a cyclists videos as they don’t really show the distance, so even junior barrister can argue against them.


Indeed my onboard camera rarely shows just how close the pass was, but my other half often rides behind and his onboard camera is better at showing a close pass on those in front... trouble is by the time my camera records a vehicle it is already passing and pulling in so gives a different perspective.....
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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby hamster » 29 May 2020, 9:52am

ossie wrote:Had one bouncing down the road today with the large shovel bit ready to decapitate me, he slowed slightly but my experience is most tractor drivers don't give a stuff and would quite happily force a cyclist off the road . This is usually by Intimidation when behind you (revving the hell out of said tractor) simply not slowing, moving or giving an inch when approaching on narrow roads.


I can't say that's my experience. Clearly Hampshire / Dorset farmers are a more relaxed breed.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby Grandad » 29 May 2020, 2:10pm

I can't say that's my experience. Clearly Hampshire / Dorset farmers are a more relaxed breed.

Ditto for my part of Kent.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby andrewwillans49 » 30 May 2020, 2:43pm

When cycling around the Hertfordshire lanes I always pull over as soon as convenient for me and let traffic pass. Usually get a friendly wave or toot. Can't say I get riled with bad motorists, part of life.
I've been cycling for 54 years and instinctively know my body is vulnerable to motorised traffic so ride defensively.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby De Sisti » 30 May 2020, 5:15pm

ossie wrote:Had one bouncing down the road today with the large shovel bit ready to decapitate me, he slowed slightly but my experience is most tractor drivers don't give a stuff and would quite happily force a cyclist off the road . This is usually by Intimidation when behind you (revving the hell out of said tractor) simply not slowing, moving or giving an inch when approaching on narrow roads.

I've not experienced that from farmers in Gloucestershire, and I agree with what @andrewwillians posted.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby ossie » 30 May 2020, 8:50pm

hamster wrote:
ossie wrote:Had one bouncing down the road today with the large shovel bit ready to decapitate me, he slowed slightly but my experience is most tractor drivers don't give a stuff and would quite happily force a cyclist off the road . This is usually by Intimidation when behind you (revving the hell out of said tractor) simply not slowing, moving or giving an inch when approaching on narrow roads.


I can't say that's my experience. Clearly Hampshire / Dorset farmers are a more relaxed breed.


I live in Dorset. My understanding is that many of these tractor drivers are contracted out and have little empathy with the area they work.

All of my very close near misses in the last few years have been tractor drivers . The area around the Drax estate up to Blandford is a complete nightmare, these guys think they own the road.

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Re: Police / video evidence

Postby Jamesh » 31 May 2020, 9:55am

I was on Exmoor a year or two back I was stopped opposite this farm at I guess 7am. And 20 or so tractors come racing out the yard at great neck speed. I can only assume they were contracting and all had the same clocking in time.

Glad I was stationary rather than cycling when then passed!

Cheers James