Disgraceful driving!

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Jdsk » 3 Jun 2020, 12:07pm

Peter F wrote:Autonomous cars will be programmed to not exceed speed limits. The performance segment will die altogether or be limited to track only cars. It will be very easy to spot any cars on the road breaking speed limits as they will all be communication with each other and tracking speed, position etc.

Disagreement here might only be about timescale... how long is it until you think that might happen?

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby simonineaston » 3 Jun 2020, 1:25pm

The good news is that the roads will soon go back to the dirty, clogged, nose-to-tail perma-jam they all were before! Can't wait. That'll put the mockers on a lot of the Ton Up Kids. (In fairness, if you will go around selling Audis etc etc to a whole load of very ordinary kids, that'll readily go a hundred and fifty plus and handle like a racing car, and then expect them to stick to the speed limit, when they're suddenly given the (to them) God Given opportunity of an apparently empty road, then you're more naive than perhaps is good for you! But Hey, the nation's economy (in the form of truely colossal amounts of credit, lent to the aforementioned ordinary kids, to get hold of crazily high performance cars) comes before any pointless, namby-pamby, socialist-leaning, wooly notions like pedestrians' or cyclists' safety.
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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Peter F » 3 Jun 2020, 4:18pm

Jdsk wrote:
Peter F wrote:Autonomous cars will be programmed to not exceed speed limits. The performance segment will die altogether or be limited to track only cars. It will be very easy to spot any cars on the road breaking speed limits as they will all be communication with each other and tracking speed, position etc.

Disagreement here might only be about timescale... how long is it until you think that might happen?

Thanks

Jonathan


Oh, years away, possibly decades. But it will happen. All these other ideas with romantic notions of everyone switching to pedal power are just pie in the sky

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Jdsk » 3 Jun 2020, 4:23pm

Thanks

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Peter F » 3 Jun 2020, 4:38pm

simonineaston wrote:The good news is that the roads will soon go back to the dirty, clogged, nose-to-tail perma-jam they all were before! Can't wait. That'll put the mockers on a lot of the Ton Up Kids. (In fairness, if you will go around selling Audis etc etc to a whole load of very ordinary kids, that'll readily go a hundred and fifty plus and handle like a racing car, and then expect them to stick to the speed limit, when they're suddenly given the (to them) God Given opportunity of an apparently empty road, then you're more naive than perhaps is good for you! But Hey, the nation's economy (in the form of truely colossal amounts of credit, lent to the aforementioned ordinary kids, to get hold of crazily high performance cars) comes before any pointless, namby-pamby, socialist-leaning, wooly notions like pedestrians' or cyclists' safety.


The trouble is that the crazy cars are available on very good finance deals. Remember when a Golf R could be had for under £300 a month, same for the M135i. If you earn a decent wage and either live with your parents or have no kids then this kind of outlay is easily affordable. I work with lads just like that.

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby mjr » 3 Jun 2020, 5:59pm

simonineaston wrote:But Hey, the nation's economy (in the form of truely colossal amounts of credit, lent to the aforementioned ordinary kids, to get hold of crazily high performance cars) comes before any pointless, namby-pamby, socialist-leaning, wooly notions like pedestrians' or cyclists' safety.

That seems like you're ignoring the economic costs of injuries to some of the healthiest citizens. The economists don't ignore it - the problem is the politicians who I suspect are not among those walking, cycling - or indeed the healthiest!
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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby SeptCollines » 3 Jun 2020, 7:05pm

Peter F wrote:The trouble is that the crazy cars are available on very good finance deals. Remember when a Golf R could be had for under £300 a month, same for the M135i. If you earn a decent wage and either live with your parents or have no kids then this kind of outlay is easily affordable. I work with lads just like that.

I work with a couple of youngish lads(at home with mum and dad) one drives a new Audi RS4 and the other BMW M4.Then there's all those who have £50-60K cars on lease.It's mad now.Some are paying £5-600pcm to lease Range Rovers,Mercs etc!

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Cyril Haearn » 3 Jun 2020, 7:11pm

Disgusting :?
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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby SeptCollines » 3 Jun 2020, 7:16pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Disgusting :?

Credit has never been easier!
Though why someone would pay £7-8000pa for 2 years to then hand it back is beyond me!
I fully understand business lease but personal lease is just like throwing money away.

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Cugel » 3 Jun 2020, 7:43pm

SeptCollines wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Disgusting :?

Credit has never been easier!
Though why someone would pay £7-8000pa for 2 years to then hand it back is beyond me!
I fully understand business lease but personal lease is just like throwing money away.


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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Peter F » 3 Jun 2020, 8:47pm

SeptCollines wrote:
Peter F wrote:The trouble is that the crazy cars are available on very good finance deals. Remember when a Golf R could be had for under £300 a month, same for the M135i. If you earn a decent wage and either live with your parents or have no kids then this kind of outlay is easily affordable. I work with lads just like that.

I work with a couple of youngish lads(at home with mum and dad) one drives a new Audi RS4 and the other BMW M4.Then there's all those who have £50-60K cars on lease.It's mad now.Some are paying £5-600pcm to lease Range Rovers,Mercs etc!

As long as they can afford it why not?
Where I work a 25 year old on shifts can easily take home £2500 a month and a lot more if they are prepared to put in a lot of overtime. I know a lad who bought an Audi R8 which he ran for a year. When he sold it he used the money as a deposit for his first house. Other lads have had M3s, M2s, Range Rovers, Subaru's, EVOs, 911s, another couple of R8s.
They normally sell them when they settle down and have kids.

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Peter F » 3 Jun 2020, 8:53pm

SeptCollines wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Disgusting :?

Credit has never been easier!
Though why someone would pay £7-8000pa for 2 years to then hand it back is beyond me!
I fully understand business lease but personal lease is just like throwing money away.


Buy the same car and you will lose the same amount in depreciation. You can pay £7000 a year to run a car that you would have to pay out at least 40k to 50k to buy outright. After 3 years it will only be worth 50% of what you paid. So what have you lost? You get the car you want without having to find the purchase price and you aren't actually any worse off. In fact in some cases you are better off. They enable premium car makers to sell more cars which means they can offer very good deals. Personal leases can make a lot if sense if you want a new car.

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby SeptCollines » 4 Jun 2020, 10:01am

Peter F wrote:
SeptCollines wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:Disgusting :?

Credit has never been easier!
Though why someone would pay £7-8000pa for 2 years to then hand it back is beyond me!
I fully understand business lease but personal lease is just like throwing money away.


Buy the same car and you will lose the same amount in depreciation. You can pay £7000 a year to run a car that you would have to pay out at least 40k to 50k to buy outright. After 3 years it will only be worth 50% of what you paid. So what have you lost? You get the car you want without having to find the purchase price and you aren't actually any worse off. In fact in some cases you are better off. They enable premium car makers to sell more cars which means they can offer very good deals. Personal leases can make a lot if sense if you want a new car.

The one plus point to personal lease is you can buy a low mileage 3 year old car that has lost a big chunk of it's money if you're not bothered about the numbers on the registration plate!

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby Pennine pedaller » 4 Jun 2020, 2:44pm

John has just appeared on BBC local lunchtime news which will be repeated at 18:30.
Hopefully someone will see the damage and come forward with a name for the driver.
The driver obviously has no morals or regrets and isn’t likely to hand themselves in.
If caught I personally think a jail term is in order.

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Re: Disgraceful driving!

Postby atlas_shrugged » 4 Jun 2020, 3:18pm

It would be useful to our 'friends' who like to drive high powered audis, bmws, range rovers etc to do a calculation of the economic time spent driving to work by motor vehicle. If they spend 7k/year leasing the car and say 3k/year running it then they need to double this and work out what fraction this is of their annual salary. Then they need to add in all the time spent in traffic congestion. In other words how many work hours per week are needed to support the car.

In this article it discusses Ivan Illich, author of classic books like Deschooling Society. He proved, mathematically, that the bicycle is faster than the automobile:

https://cyclingindustry.news/comment-ho ... g-the-car/