Just one of those days

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NATURAL ANKLING
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Re: Just one of those days

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Hi,
rmurphy195 wrote:My goodness, what controversy I seem to have stirred up - hostility yet! Maybe I edited the video too closely, so here's a couple of clarifications

Incident #2 - the roads over the dam are very narrow, with on that section pedestrian refuges about 2m long by 1m wide and an entrance to the footpath around the lake on the left, which is where most of the pedestrians were - so I rode on the right, past some pedestrians with a couple of other cyclists a few yards behind me (the ones the white van is squeezing past). A couple of stills to illustrate this follow. Realistically to pass a vehicle even of the size of the red car earlier than where I moved to the left means stopping with your wheels against the kerb, and leaning away from the car so as not to scratch the paint with your pedal, so this really is a place to assert one's road position. (The mike didn't pick up the stream of invective from the driver!)

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Incident one, not many of us are arguing against you at all.
Incident two-
"Looking over your shoulder" is maybe why you did not move over quicker?
"Looking over your shoulder" is maybe why you did not move over quicker?

The road looks wide enough that you should of been far left?
The road looks wide enough that you should of been far left?

The car is moving slowly here
The car is moving slowly here


Incident three, thats borderline.......................but to be expected from your modern lazy driver..........we make allowances that the cyclist has to do what is best for survival...................the driver left it too late for sure.............what does the highway code say..........you have priority

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Re: Just one of those days

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NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
rmurphy195 wrote:My goodness, what controversy I seem to have stirred up - hostility yet! Maybe I edited the video too closely, so here's a couple of clarifications

Incident #2 - the roads over the dam are very narrow, with on that section pedestrian refuges about 2m long by 1m wide and an entrance to the footpath around the lake on the left, which is where most of the pedestrians were - so I rode on the right, past some pedestrians with a couple of other cyclists a few yards behind me (the ones the white van is squeezing past). A couple of stills to illustrate this follow. Realistically to pass a vehicle even of the size of the red car earlier than where I moved to the left means stopping with your wheels against the kerb, and leaning away from the car so as not to scratch the paint with your pedal, so this really is a place to assert one's road position. (The mike didn't pick up the stream of invective from the driver!)

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Incident one, not many of us are arguing against you at all.
Incident two-
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I'm non plussed by this. The red car is on their side of the road. There's plenty of room to get past them, but the cyclist seems determined to cycle in the middle of the road. I can't see that the driver of the red car is doing anything wrong, to be honest.
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Re: Just one of those days

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mikeymo wrote:
I'm non plussed by this. The red car is on their side of the road. There's plenty of room to get past them, but the cyclist seems determined to cycle in the middle of the road. I can't see that the driver of the red car is doing anything wrong, to be honest.


Where I am the road is much narrower, it widens out where the car is
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Re: Just one of those days

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What do you think the red car did wrong? I'm also confused.
What should he have done instead?

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Re: Just one of those days

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rmurphy195 wrote:
mikeymo wrote:
I'm non plussed by this. The red car is on their side of the road. There's plenty of room to get past them, but the cyclist seems determined to cycle in the middle of the road. I can't see that the driver of the red car is doing anything wrong, to be honest.


Where I am the road is much narrower, it widens out where the car is


OK, so that gap, next to the red car, you can cycle through that, can't you? What am I missing? You seem to be implying there's something wrong with the red car's driver's driving. What's the problem?

I'd look at the video again, but somebody seems to have made it private now, for some reason.
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Re: Just one of those days

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The red car needs to wait, it is a single lane.
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Re: Just one of those days

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alexnharvey wrote:The red car needs to wait, it is a single lane.

Well clearly not since once the cyclist remembered the bit in the HC about keeping to the left, he went past comfortably.

It looks to me like he decided in advance that the car should stop for him and tried to play chicken with predictable results

Another unnecessary conflict doing the rest of us no favours, IMO
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Re: Just one of those days

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philg wrote:
alexnharvey wrote:The red car needs to wait, it is a single lane.

Well clearly not since once the cyclist remembered the bit in the HC about keeping to the left, he went past comfortably.

It looks to me like he decided in advance that the car should stop for him and tried to play chicken with predictable results

Another unnecessary conflict doing the rest of us no favours, IMO


Interesting that the video he originally posted has now been made private.
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Re: Just one of those days

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rmurphy195 wrote:
mikeymo wrote:
I'm non plussed by this. The red car is on their side of the road. There's plenty of room to get past them, but the cyclist seems determined to cycle in the middle of the road. I can't see that the driver of the red car is doing anything wrong, to be honest.


Where I am the road is much narrower, it widens out where the car is


Yes, it widens out where the car is, and where there is room for a cyclist to pass.
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Re: Just one of those days

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philg wrote:
alexnharvey wrote:The red car needs to wait, it is a single lane.

Well clearly not since once the cyclist remembered the bit in the HC about keeping to the left, he went past comfortably.

It looks to me like he decided in advance that the car should stop for him and tried to play chicken with predictable results

Another unnecessary conflict doing the rest of us no favours, IMO


As other point out, the road widens. If it is not sufficiently wide one ought to take the centre otherwise the motorist will squeeze you into the gutter.
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Re: Just one of those days

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mikeymo wrote:
Interesting that the video he originally posted has now been made private.


It's not - he bungled the first link, which was always private, then reposted it properly, which is still public.
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Re: Just one of those days

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D363 wrote:
mikeymo wrote:
Interesting that the video he originally posted has now been made private.


It's not - he bungled the first link, which was always private, then reposted it properly, which is still public.


Ah, I see, thanks.
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