3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

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3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby whoof » 22 Jun 2020, 12:50pm

I just watched the news on BBC.
The first item was 3 dead in a stabbing in Reading, a terrible tragedy
Then the Home Secretary commenting on this.
Covid 19 and the possible reduction of the 2 metre rule.
Covid 19 in Brasil
Covid 19 the affect on local government
Covid 19 Spain reducing restrictions.
Then back to the headlines, Reading and possible changes to the 2 metre rule.
Then Nicola Strugeon briefing.

There were three pedestrians killed yesterday after being 'in collision with' a car. The driver has been arrested on three counts of causing death by dangerous driving and drunk driving.
You won't find out on the BBC news home page or in the 10 most read items. It's 3/4 down the England page

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-53132169

It does get top billing on the Cumbria page however.

A woman was run down and killed outside my house three years ago by a speeding motorist, who then failed to stop. The council took acton by installing a sign for a week. If you drove below the speed limit it had a smiley face, if you were speeding it frowned.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby atlas_shrugged » 22 Jun 2020, 1:19pm

Killing by car seems to get a free pass.

The response by authorities has no proportions to the grief that is caused. Years later there may be an effectively secret inquest in a far distant city with no reporting by the local media from the area where the accident occurred. Meanwhile the perpetrator is likely driving around in a brand new vehicle. SMIDSY.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Cyril Haearn » 22 Jun 2020, 1:22pm

One difference is, a lot can be done to prevent 'accidental' deaths but it is very hard to know when a mad person with a knife shall strike
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby whoof » 22 Jun 2020, 1:47pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:One difference is, a lot can be done to prevent 'accidental' deaths but it is very hard to know when a mad person with a knife shall strike

In the eight years I've been in my current house outside the row of ten houses there has been.
One woman killed by speeding motorist.

Speeding motorist hitting incoming car, bouncing off and hitting child on pavement.

Three cars driving into parked cars, one two occupants of the moving car taken to hospital in neck braces and one writing off both vehicles with the moving car ending on its roof and the driver needing cutting out by the Fire Brigade. This is in 30 mph zone, one hundred metres from 20 mph zone and three hundred metres from the Police station.

Nothing has been done to prevent further incidents. No traffic calming or policing. i have contacted ;police, council and MP to no avail. Every day dozens of drivers pass by either speeding or on their phone.

Very little is done and if it's not reported then there there's no need to.
As Donald Trump said, the more they test the more cases they find, stop testing.
The man is a genius, he understands that if you don't tell people about something it removes the need to deal with it.

Do you remember a couple of years ago when a child was hit by a cyclist on the pavement suffering bruising? It made front page news and was on national TV for days on end. Many people think one of the greatest dangers to pedestrians is being hit be cyclist very few will consider being hit be a car. This it's because they ' know' that cars don't drive on the pavement, despite the pavements being full of parked cars which much have driven there and unless it happens to someone they know they probably will never hear about it.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Pebble » 22 Jun 2020, 2:12pm

sadly deaths on the road are mostly seen as acts of god, something akin to being struck by lightening.

something like 80,000 killed or seriously injured on UK roads since Grenfell. Palpable and justified outrage over Grenfell.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby axel_knutt » 22 Jun 2020, 2:35pm

If you're a motorist but not a terrorist then you're like millions of others, and people judge those who are not 'like us' differently from those who are 'like us'.
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby MOARspeed » 23 Jun 2020, 4:11pm

What if the car incident was also a terrorist attack? the authorities are always very quick to brush terrorist attacks off as something else, IF they can.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby John Holiday » 23 Jun 2020, 4:39pm

Our Community Speed Watch team has been suspended recently, and we have been horrified by speed of reduced numbers of vehicles.
There is little deterrent to bad driving & we are told that Road Safety is not a Police priority.
How do we persuade Politicians and the wider public that killing & injuring people is unacceptable?

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Cyril Haearn » 23 Jun 2020, 5:07pm

Protests, critical mass, get the media interested
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby MOARspeed » 23 Jun 2020, 5:09pm

John Holiday wrote:Our Community Speed Watch team has been suspended recently, and we have been horrified by speed of reduced numbers of vehicles.
There is little deterrent to bad driving & we are told that Road Safety is not a Police priority.
How do we persuade Politicians and the wider public that killing & injuring people is unacceptable?


You don't, they're too busy dealing with the wuhan flu, whilst pandering to bored middle class white kids who want to pull down statues and destroy British society.

Cyril Haearn wrote:Protests, critical mass, get the media interested


The media are only interested in creating division.... Race, religion, gender, mode of transport, class, etc etc. That is unless there's a way to point the finger at Dominic Cummings.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Cyril Haearn » 23 Jun 2020, 5:24pm

The media have stuffed us with information about virii for months, and BLM, soon the PotUS again..

Once they get their teeth into something they worry it to death, that is much easier than seeking new news. I think the media could indeed take up traffic crime, maybe starting with a bus trip to Barnard Castle, there is quite a good service from Darlington
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby reohn2 » 23 Jun 2020, 5:43pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:One difference is, a lot can be done to prevent 'accidental' deaths but it is very hard to know when a mad person with a knife shall strike

A lot could be done to stop people drinking and driving but it won't until there's a police force with a high profile in evidence and punishments that fitmthe crimes.
Lunatics running amok with a knife as you say are harder to idenify until they strike.

The incident the OP refers to was shown on local TV news last evening,I wept openly FWIW,but nothing will be done though and the perpetrator will probably get 3years jail (but be walking free in 18months or less) and a 5year driving ban.
He most likely won't be made to resit his driving test,and he definitely will never see the unbelievably deep hurt woman whose family he wiped from existenc will have to endure for the rest of her life.
Tragedy doesn't even begin to describe it.
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Postboxer » 23 Jun 2020, 6:53pm

If the government is ending the daily coronavirus news conference, perhaps it should be replaced with one where they list all the deaths of the day, week or month, just to show the numbers dying due to various factors, perhaps this would highlight the numbers dying in road collisions, then they could show the graph of predicted numbers, presumably something like a horizontal line, as they seem to be doing nothing to stem them.

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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby Cyril Haearn » 23 Jun 2020, 6:58pm

Perhaps the media could do that, we have learnt enough about virii
One also reads about rich people living longer, causes of death and figures for lost life-years would be interesting

Some statistical experts could analyse the cv time, that would be interesting too, if really especially many old people died? I wouldnae trust the figures mind, even fresh figures. One reads all sorts of different interpretations of 'causes of death'
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Re: 3 people dead do not equal 3 people dead

Postby mikeymo » 23 Jun 2020, 8:53pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Perhaps the media could do that, we have learnt enough about virii


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lczHvB3Y9s
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