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roubaixtuesday
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Re: Is it me?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 11 May 2020, 7:52pm

ossie wrote:
Edit..sorry to butt in.. this thread appears to have gone a bit weird


More than a bit!

Just back from a quick evening blast in the cold sunshine. Lots of friendly roadies likewise blasting and also many teen types wandering around randomly on mtbs. All good.

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Re: Is it me?

Postby markjohnobrien » 11 May 2020, 7:57pm

al_yrpal wrote:Since the start of the lockdown out on the backroads where I cycle I am seeing more and more roadies encapsulated in lycra head down, peddling away furiously and find my greetings are usually ignored. Whoever I encounter I usually say a cheery good morning or good afternoon, sometimes Hi, but more and more there is no response.
Perhaps its my grizzled appearance and garb consisting of a white helmet, polar top, flourescent yellow tabard, jeans, cycle clips and hush puppies?
Perhaps is my upright stance on an electric clunker ( I usually stay well behind on the flat and whizz past on electric Turbo when encountering any sort of hill)
Perhaps its because of Straver or whatever?
Perhaps many of these folk are new cyclists unaware of good cycling manners?
There are lots of families out and about with youngsters, they always respond?
So is it me?

Al?


It’s a Southern thing.

When I lived in the Midlands, and on trips back there cycling, I say hello to fellow cyclists (dressed as roadies in Lycra in the main) and 9 out of 10 (on average) reply with a cheery “Hello”.

When I moved to the South (whether riding in London or the Chilterns with 20 years of observations), 9 out of 10 ignore my greetings. I think the bulk are just pig ignorant and the others maybe wouldn’t deign to see someone on a touring bike, with panniers, in MTB shorts as a “proper cyclist” as juxtaposed with themselves in full lycra on a carbon speed machine.

Shame really, as we all enjoy the same hobby. I’m sure no one on this forum or YACF would ignore a fellow cyclist and when I did the Dunwych Dynamo, there were loads of friendly Londoners but, in general, my observations are stark and disheartening.

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Re: Is it me?

Postby ossie » 11 May 2020, 9:15pm

markjohnobrien wrote:
It’s a Southern thing.

When I lived in the Midlands, and on trips back there cycling, I say hello to fellow cyclists (dressed as roadies in Lycra in the main) and 9 out of 10 (on average) reply with a cheery “Hello”.



I live in the beautiful south.

Most 'roadies' don't really say hello anyway its usually a nod or a movement of the hand with the odd 'Hi' or grunt but its usually there. Germany is the biggest ignore fest I've seen as many cyclists are on e bikes and subliminally I think they just aren't part of the cycling culture so can't be bothered....Spain is epic though 'Hola' at every turn from roadies. MTB'ers..

I must admit to having a little game of trying to acknowledge other cyclists, the better half does it when walking.

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Re: Is it me?

Postby Ben@Forest » 11 May 2020, 10:00pm

This topic seems to come up quite often. Cyclist numbers or heavy traffic making acknowledgment impossible and nearly imperceptible nods or waves by roadies are reasons why other cyclists think they're being ignored.

I rarely vocally greet other cyclists, a slightly dropped hand as a wave is my greeting, sometimes I've seen roadies who barely do more than lift a couple of fingers whilst their hand remains on the bar.

In N Yorks and the NE I'd say cyclists are pretty good at greeting each other, but I suppose if you're expecting a huge wave and a cheery 'good morning' then you're going to be disappointed.

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby peetee » 12 May 2020, 8:56am

One observation from having lived in various parts of the country; the south and south east are the areas least likely to return a greeting or acknowledgement of shared interest. I think that is true even within a common pastime so mountain bikers tend to ignore roadies, Lycra roadies ignore tourists, etc etc.
Having moved from a Hampshire to Cornwall the difference is night and day. But that’s across society as a whole as I have greetings and conversations with all sorts of people far, far more often. Being ignored has become the exception rather than the rule. And talking about rules, that is largely where the difference comes from. In Hampshire many people are ruled by the clock, they are cramming their lives and don’t have the time or inclination to deviate from their ordered regimented lifestyle. Being in more frenetic surroundings makes people insular, untrusting, selfish and wary of differences in behaviour.
For what it’s worth, lockdown seems to have made people even happier round here. There are far more families out, conversations being had on doorsteps, pavements and trails. I suppose time rules us all if we let it and when something like Covid comes along people get the opportunity to use that time more freely and the constraints of lifestyle choice and social segregation fall away. It seems somewhat ironic that at a time when we are supposed to be keeping our distance from others that, to a certain extent we are more together.
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby Patrickpioneer » 13 May 2020, 1:11pm

It used to bother me that a few and only a few did not wave or say hello back to my greeting, now I tell myself I am not important so why should they?

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby rjb » 13 May 2020, 1:20pm

You need to find some new routes on the Somerset levels, 20 miles up the road from you. We get cheery greetings from 95% of fellow riders, dog walkers and joggers, but then we are on a tandem and most riders have seen us before. Even PC plod in his 4 X 4 has been giving us a cheery wave as he was enforcing the lockdown before today. :D
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Re: They snub my greeting - Is it just me?

Postby francovendee » 14 May 2020, 8:15am

Are people in the south less friendly, on or off a bike?

I haven't cycled in the UK for nearly 20 years but visit friends in Hampshire several times a year. We take walks in the beautiful countryside and greet other walkers with a Hi or hello, I'd say 80% don't respond.

Maybe I've lived in France too long where Bonjour is the norm. Entering a bar, shop or even the doctors waiting room the custom is to say Bonjour.

It's odd because I don't think Brits are an unfriendly lot so is it a southern thing?

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Re: They snub my greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Oldjohnw » 14 May 2020, 8:57am

Go for a walk in the Cheviots and meet someone and as like as not you'll get their life story. Mind you, it's rare that you'll meet anyone.

Same at the bus stop. A friendly good morning and you have a new best mate.
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Re: They snub my greeting - Is it just me?

Postby ANTONISH » 14 May 2020, 9:22am

francovendee wrote:Are people in the south less friendly, on or off a bike?

I haven't cycled in the UK for nearly 20 years but visit friends in Hampshire several times a year. We take walks in the beautiful countryside and greet other walkers with a Hi or hello, I'd say 80% don't respond.

Maybe I've lived in France too long where Bonjour is the norm. Entering a bar, shop or even the doctors waiting room the custom is to say Bonjour.

It's odd because I don't think Brits are an unfriendly lot so is it a southern thing?


I confess to being a "southerner" .

Generally I receive and give greetings as appropriate. That would apply to "roadies" , "mountain bikers" and of course tourists.
It doesn't concern me that I don't always get a greeting (as likely as not I'll give just the economical hand movement)

It's always possible that the other cyclist is approaching a pothole or some other hazard so is not particularly aware of another cyclist.

NCN1 passes through my village and I find foreign tourists don't usually acknowledge or initiate greetings.

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Re: They snub my greeting - Is it just me?

Postby Ben@Forest » 14 May 2020, 9:23am

The British are known for their reserve and it is my experience that in the north people will strike up a conversation with you far quicker than in south.

I'm not sure that makes Southerners less friendly though; Northumberland has a population density of about 62 people per sq km, Surrey has 716, London has 4,500; that's bound to impact upon the way people interact. And there are other social factors, as a child my wife frequently had to holiday in North Wales (because her parents liked it). They all remember the level of indifference, bordering on hostility, in some places there, but it can't have been all like that otherwise they wouldn't have repeatedly gone back.

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Is it just me?

Postby al_yrpal » 14 May 2020, 9:42am

As I mentioned in the original post my garb, jeans, cycle clips, hush puppies and a flourescent tabbard is probably so far removed from a lycra clad strava geek that they believe I am from another species :shock: and therefore I dont get acknowleged.... :lol:

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby Ben@Forest » 14 May 2020, 9:48am

al_yrpal wrote:As I mentioned in the original post my garb, jeans, cycle clips, hush puppies and a flourescent tabbard is probably so far removed from a lycra clad strava geek that they believe I am from another species :shock: and therefore I dont get acknowleged.... :lol:


Do maiden aunts on sit up and begs, wearing woollen stockings, tweed skirts and ferocious grimaces wave back?

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby ANTONISH » 15 May 2020, 9:35am

Ben@Forest wrote:
Do maiden aunts on sit up and begs, wearing woollen stockings, tweed skirts and ferocious grimaces wave back?


And they never say hello when they overtake me :(

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Re: Is it just me?

Postby tatanab » 15 May 2020, 10:00am

al_yrpal wrote:As I mentioned in the original post my garb, jeans, cycle clips, hush puppies and a flourescent tabbard is probably so far removed from a lycra clad strava geek that they believe I am from another species :shock: and therefore I dont get acknowleged.... :lol:

Al
There is some truth in that. Several decades ago (1960/70/80) you would probably acknowledge a club type cyclist. If that same rider was dressed in ordinary workaday clothes you would look at the feet. Toe clips, straps and cycling shoes (days before cycling shoes looked like fluorescent trainers) - all present and you might acknowledge them. None of the above and the rider might be grandad going to the allotment or little Johnny off on a paper round, neither of which merited recognition.

These days those distinguishing features and less common, which is why I don't get acknowledged when riding to the shops on my small wheeled shopper even though I have clips, straps and shoes.

On a more general note - whatever I am riding I do not seek acknowledgement and nor do I always give it or respond.