carrying bikes - How NOT to do it

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carrying bikes - How NOT to do it

Postby fastpedaller » 21 Jul 2020, 12:14pm

Just seen this in the Eastern Daily Press - beggars belief how anyone thought it was safe!
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/car-stoppe ... -1-6755569

It appears to be a towball mounted rack (a much better starting point than tailgate strapped- on ones) but that's the only good bit.
I think some people don't understand the huge forces which this sort of arrangement can generate, to the point of avoiding giving them a 'good pull around' (in case they dislodge them?) not realising that hitting a bump in the road will inflict worse!
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Postby peetee » 21 Jul 2020, 1:07pm

Not to mention the huge forces applied to bikes, car and occupants because the truck driver behind can’t see the brake lights.
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Postby simonineaston » 21 Jul 2020, 1:13pm

I went away this week end with chums, one of whom arrived in a Citroen Zsara Picasso - remember them? The original egg-shaped people-carrier. Anyway, his and his youngest daughter's bike were on a double bike rack, which was located such that all four sponge-protected resting points rested directly on the rear window - is that right?? That's 25-ish kilogrammes (in his case) gently vibrating away & pressing down directly on glass... on the plus side, both light clusters were clearly visible to all & sundry!
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Postby Vorpal » 21 Jul 2020, 1:36pm

It is possible to carry 4 bikes like that safely, but they clearly didn't pay sufficient attention to being able to use their mirrors, or putting an auxiliary light / reg board over the lot, even if they were mounted securely.
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Postby Pete Owens » 21 Jul 2020, 2:01pm

Yes, it should have a number plate attached - and whether the loading is sensible will depend on the weight of the car.

But this is just another straight anti-cyclist story. The police photo looks to be deliberately shot from an angle to make the bikes appear to look bigger and obscure more than they do. The story is shock horror at FOUR bikes.

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Postby Bmblbzzz » 21 Jul 2020, 2:51pm

Visitors to Norfolk from Somerset

Is this mjr? :wink:
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That combination of responsibilities in one team is... interesting.

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Postby Cyril Haearn » 21 Jul 2020, 2:56pm

..
I wondered about that too, NS-RAPT, Norfolk + Somerset, I thought Norfolk was some way from Somerset
Pete Owens wrote:..
But this is just another straight anti-cyclist story
..

And an anti-motorist story, in particular a story about TDC, the tragedy of drive-cycling :?
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Postby mjr » 21 Jul 2020, 3:01pm

Bmblbzzz wrote:
Visitors to Norfolk from Somerset

Is this mjr? :wink:

Nope, nor the in laws!
The Norfolk and Suffolk Roads and Armed Policing Team (NSRAPT)

That combination of responsibilities in one team is... interesting.

These are big counties (roughly 100 miles by 100 miles the pair), the roads police have the fastest cars (including a Lotus and a Mitsubishi Evo, last I knew) and Norfolk Constabulary have been lambasted for slow armed response to the edges in the past (Tony Martin (farmer)...)
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Postby Pastychomper » 21 Jul 2020, 3:05pm

Under the law, drivers must make sure they can see clearly see through the back window when all bikes are loaded


I'm surprised by that, I was under the impression that it was acceptable for the view through the back window to be obscured by a load, or by a trailer or rear passenger, come to that. I can't find it mentioned in the Highway Code either. Is this a recent and specific ruling about cycle-carriers, intended to reduce TDC, perhaps?
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Postby thirdcrank » 21 Jul 2020, 3:31pm

Here are the relevant Con & Use Regs which date from 1986 and seem only to be available as originally enacted, so there may be later twiddly bits not here. Unfortunately, they have a growing habit of changing stuff without informing me.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/198 ... ter/E/made

I've linked to the chapter headed Vision. For anybody who doesn't follow links or is irritated by words like "hereinafter", it's broadly divided into "View to the front" and "mirrors." ie Nothing about "View to the rear" other than mirrors. With all the usual exceptions for works trucks and the like, what I'll call a normal vehicle needs either two wing mirrors or a driver's side wing mirror and an interior rear view mirror. The obvious point being that all manner of vehicles especially vans have no windows in the rear doors.

So this is AFAIK and if anybody is better informed I'll be happy to add to my knowledge.

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Postby Pete Owens » 21 Jul 2020, 4:10pm

Pastychomper wrote:
Under the law, drivers must make sure they can see clearly see through the back window when all bikes are loaded


I'm surprised by that, I was under the impression that it was acceptable for the view through the back window to be obscured by a load, or by a trailer or rear passenger, come to that. I can't find it mentioned in the Highway Code either. Is this a recent and specific ruling about cycle-carriers, intended to reduce TDC, perhaps?


Or even for there not to be a back window at all. You need to be able to see behind you - which you can using wing mirrors, which would not be obscured unless yo were to strap a tandem sideways.

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Re: carrying bikes - How NOT to do it

Postby Cyril Haearn » 21 Jul 2020, 4:16pm

Are the cycles allowed to protrude left and right behind the vehicle?
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Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Jul 2020, 4:32pm

mjr wrote:
Bmblbzzz wrote:
Visitors to Norfolk from Somerset

Is this mjr? :wink:

Nope, nor the in laws!
The Norfolk and Suffolk Roads and Armed Policing Team (NSRAPT)

That combination of responsibilities in one team is... interesting.

These are big counties (roughly 100 miles by 100 miles the pair), the roads police have the fastest cars (including a Lotus and a Mitsubishi Evo, last I knew) and Norfolk Constabulary have been lambasted for slow armed response to the edges in the past (Tony Martin (farmer)...)

The Evo was genuine, the Lotus/Lotii were promotional loans from Lotus - a number of forces were 'evaluating' them :D

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Re: carrying bikes - How NOT to do it

Postby Bonefishblues » 21 Jul 2020, 4:34pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Are the cycles allowed to protrude left and right behind the vehicle?

Hard to say whether they protruding are from that angle with that lens, I'd say - I notice that the bike at the rear is squarely on the rack's 'prongs'.

...but in any event, the answer's no, they shouldn't, I believe.

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Re: carrying bikes - How NOT to do it

Postby mercalia » 21 Jul 2020, 4:51pm

thirdcrank wrote:Here are the relevant Con & Use Regs which date from 1986 and seem only to be available as originally enacted, so there may be later twiddly bits not here. Unfortunately, they have a growing habit of changing stuff without informing me.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/198 ... ter/E/made

I've linked to the chapter headed Vision. For anybody who doesn't follow links or is irritated by words like "hereinafter", it's broadly divided into "View to the front" and "mirrors." ie Nothing about "View to the rear" other than mirrors. With all the usual exceptions for works trucks and the like, what I'll call a normal vehicle needs either two wing mirrors or a driver's side wing mirror and an interior rear view mirror. The obvious point being that all manner of vehicles especially vans have no windows in the rear doors.

So this is AFAIK and if anybody is better informed I'll be happy to add to my knowledge.


breaking so many traffic laws? how many points on the licence? cant see number plate, nor lights nor indicators just 3. I hope the driver got clobbered