Cycling in narrow lanes

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:27am

I have generally not used the phrase 'almost everyone', rather 'the majority'


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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby pwa » 21 Aug 2020, 10:28am

A few weeks ago I was cycling down a lane and approaching a bend, going quite slowly, and suddenly around the corner came a group of runners running at three or four abreast and almost taking up the width of the lane.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4669204 ... 6?hl=en-GB

It is more steeply downhill than it looks in the image.

I slowed further, almost coming to a halt as two of them were looking around and not where they were going. At one point, with me almost stopped, I wondered if they were going to just plough into me. But the one who was looking forward called to the others to watch where they were going and they took evasive action. I didn't care which side of them they wanted me to go. I just wanted an gap, on either side. Quite funny really.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Jdsk » 21 Aug 2020, 10:29am

Oldjohnw wrote:Most of us use various forms of transport. I often wish that the ICE had never been invented and try to use as little as possible. But to demonise one whole group of people for the bad behaviour of the relatively few I can observe is not only poor evidence but is a divisive and unhelpful thing to do. And does nothing to improve transport or civil life except maintain animosity.

Yes. And especially to both parts of the last sentence.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby thirdcrank » 21 Aug 2020, 10:32am

Riders in chain gangs are often only looking at the back of the wheel in front.

Somewhere in the Martin Porter blog there's a reference to a compo case where the judge found against a rider doing just that and MP was not best pleased. I was really surprised at that.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Jdsk » 21 Aug 2020, 10:32am

Oldjohnw wrote:
I have generally not used the phrase 'almost everyone', rather 'the majority'

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Yes, but possibly more ! than ?.

The recurrent inability to type s, o, m and e in that order on a keyboard wrecks the quality of discussion.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Oldjohnw » 21 Aug 2020, 10:52am

Jdsk wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
I have generally not used the phrase 'almost everyone', rather 'the majority'

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Yes, but possibly more ! than ?.

The recurrent inability to type s, o, m and e in that order on a keyboard wrecks the quality of discussion.

Jonathan


I might take up the challenge and do a count. If there is 51% offending I will accept that a majority is guilty at that particular junction. I do accept that almost everyone is greater than the majority and that Cyril wisely used the term he did.

Many years ago - like about a half a century or more - ok was taught two words/phrases I should be very careful about using; "You always..." and "You never..." Both are likely to be inaccurate.
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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Jdsk » 21 Aug 2020, 10:58am

Yes.

But English has an additional problem because of unspecified quantification, eg "Drivers don't stop at STOP signs and this causes accidents". That doesn't contain any grammatical errors but how many drivers did the writer mean?

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby windysmithy » 21 Aug 2020, 11:12am

thirdcrank wrote:Matthew 7:1 - 7:5



Yeah but it takes forever to get a plank out of your own eye, painful too, what about splinters!

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby DaveBeck » 21 Aug 2020, 1:32pm

The thing that annoys me about Cyril, making these sweeping statements, whether it is about some/majority/most drivers (let's forget the ill informed advice about how to cycle on a road for now), is that he won't tell us where this God awful place is. Therefore he hasn't really provided any evidence that could perhaps be backed up, or refuted by someone else who either lives there, or is familiar with the place.

It makes me wonder if "Big town" as he calls it, actually exists outside of his imagination.

As I'm sure you've all seen, I told him, and all of you, where I live and cycle, so my experiences can be supported or even refuted. But if he wants to hide behind the blank screen of the WWW, that's his choice. I have to accept that, but he has to accept the fact that without knowing where this place is, and others backing him up, I don't really believe him.

The other thing I dislike is he seems to be trying to force us, almost in a Jeremy Clarkson style, into a blanket, constant state of antagonism towards a type of road user. This serves no useful purpose whatsoever, and does nothing to further co-operation and harmony between all road users. I fear, like someone else who commented, that any new visitors to this forum would feel we are all like that here. I for one don't wish to be associated with that position.

Sorry if that will upset you Cyril, or anyone else, but that's how I feel.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby Cyril Haearn » 21 Aug 2020, 2:04pm

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby roubaixtuesday » 21 Aug 2020, 2:15pm

It's certainly true that most drivers habitually break the law

https://www.hpi.co.uk/content/campaigns ... e-of-them/

This isn't automatically a criticism btw. I also do so as a cyclist - at a traffic light controlled junction near me I always stop in advance of the stop line on red, as I believe it's the only safe way to negotiate the junction.

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby tykeboy2003 » 23 Aug 2020, 8:05am

markbiker wrote:I live in a rural area and have just started cycling.
The lanes are very narrow in places and only just wide enough for a car.
This morning I was cycling in one of the most narrow parts of my route where it is only just wide enough for a car. A car came up behind me and there was nowhere for me to pull over so I kept cycling to a wider part of the road where I would pull over.
While cycling at this point the car driver started hooting and continued to do so, probably for 10 or 12 times. I pulled over to let the driver past when I could.
What are cyclists rights in this situation?

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Re: Cycling in narrow lanes

Postby [XAP]Bob » 30 Aug 2020, 10:04pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
Jdsk wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:?

Yes, but possibly more ! than ?.

The recurrent inability to type s, o, m and e in that order on a keyboard wrecks the quality of discussion.

Jonathan


I might take up the challenge and do a count. If there is 51% offending I will accept that a majority is guilty at that particular junction. I do accept that almost everyone is greater than the majority and that Cyril wisely used the term he did.

Many years ago - like about a half a century or more - ok was taught two words/phrases I should be very careful about using; "You always..." and "You never..." Both are likely to be inaccurate.



We all k ow that 43% is a “clear majority” nowadays...
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