Page 1 of 2

Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 1:03pm
by DaveGos
Police did not like their positioning at the traffic lights . Interesting read https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nabis.html

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 1:27pm
by Jdsk
The actual IOPC ruling:
[url]https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-upholds-cyclist’s-stop-and-search-complaint-against-metropolitan-police-officer[/url]
which found that the grounds for search were not reasonable, and used the College of Policing's existing guidance in support of that decision:
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/stop-and-search/

Jonathan

(I don't know how to fix that nonshowing link.)

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 1:36pm
by Syd
The police complaints commission did not uphold his assertion that he he ad been racially profiled.

The topic title is therefore misleading. Please change this.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 2:26pm
by cycle tramp
Syd wrote:The police complaints commission did not uphold his assertion that he he ad been racially profiled.


Yes, but then the police complaints commission would say that, wouldn't they?

When riding my bike I've placed myself to the front of the traffic queue, sometimes in which is a patrol vehicle, and I've never been searched..
(is this your bicycle sir?
Of course officer, do you think anyone else would even wish to be connected with this heap?
What's in this pannier bag sir?
Er... I wouldn't stick my hand in that one, somewhere in there is a banana which is over 2 months old....)

And as for the smell of cannabis thing, it's a public place, if you think anyone smells like cannabis and then five minutes later they don't smell like cannabis, then probably the smell belongs to someone else.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 4:44pm
by gcogger
How do we go from one cyclist being stopped one time by a small group of policemen to 'Black cyclists targeted'?

How about 'Cyclists in tight leggings targeted'? Or 'Cyclists named Emmanuel targeted'? Or 'Cyclists who refuse (even if justified) to comply with an instruction by policeman targeted'? Given that the watchdog report stated that "a review of a year of the officer's stop and search records found he had used the single reason of smelling cannabis to stop and search 'people of all ethnicities and genders'", I suspect the headline should really be 'Policeman finds excuse to stop and search people that annoy him'. That's just a guess, though (as is the title of this thread).

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 4:47pm
by Mike Sales
gcogger wrote: I suspect the headline should really be 'Policeman finds excuse to stop and search people that annoy him'. That's just a guess, though (as is the title of this thread).


It's about time this excuse was removed.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 5:07pm
by cycle tramp
gcogger wrote:the watchdog report stated that "a review of a year of the officer's stop and search records found he had used the single reason of smelling cannabis to stop and search 'people of all ethnicities and genders'",


It would have been great if the report could have made a percentile breakdown of 'genders' and 'ethnicities' I mean it's a little vague that statement. And why is it only one year? Were there other years that the officer was just searching certain ethnicities and then perhaps a pattern was pointed out to him by senior officers?
Is my money still on police being institutionalized racist, homophobic and right wing...?

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 5:21pm
by Navara
You lost me at the DM link.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 10:13pm
by gcogger
Mike Sales wrote:It's about time this excuse was removed.


I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, didn't the ruling here do exactly that - i.e. remove the excuse? It seems to be what the DM are moaning about (which is usually a good sign that something positive has happened :D )

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 14 Sep 2020, 3:06pm
by thelawnet
Hmm.

Cyclist broke law.
Police told him off.
He gave lip despite being in the wrong.
Police gives him revenge search on spurious grounds.

Both in the wrong here. Can't bring myself to care.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 14 Sep 2020, 3:36pm
by Jdsk
It might not be quite as simple as that description of a single incident, even if it's accurate. Just possibly there's a pattern across incidents that need to be examined and understood.

I care, not least because the police act on my behalf.

Jonathan

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 15 Sep 2020, 8:34pm
by TrevA
If the cyclist in question has broken the law, then the Police should charge him for the specific offence. Searching him for drugs on the pretence that “he smells of cannabis” just reinforces the tired stereotype that all young black males are drug dealers and drives a wedge between the police and the black community.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 16 Sep 2020, 1:32pm
by AlaninWales
TrevA wrote:If the cyclist in question has broken the law, then the Police should charge him for the specific offence. Searching him for drugs on the pretence that “he smells of cannabis” just reinforces the tired stereotype that all young black males are drug dealers and drives a wedge between the police and the black community.

Indeed and the use of this stereotype is contradicted by the evidence: https://www.ukdpc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Policy%20report%20-%20Drugs%20and%20diversity_%20ethnic%20minority%20groups%20(policy%20briefing).pdf
UKDPC wrote:In general, overall drug use is lower among minority ethnic groups than among the White population.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 16 Sep 2020, 4:10pm
by thelawnet
AlaninWales wrote:
TrevA wrote:If the cyclist in question has broken the law, then the Police should charge him for the specific offence. Searching him for drugs on the pretence that “he smells of cannabis” just reinforces the tired stereotype that all young black males are drug dealers and drives a wedge between the police and the black community.

Indeed and the use of this stereotype is contradicted by the evidence: https://www.ukdpc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Policy%20report%20-%20Drugs%20and%20diversity_%20ethnic%20minority%20groups%20(policy%20briefing).pdf
UKDPC wrote:In general, overall drug use is lower among minority ethnic groups than among the White population.


Not exactly

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.ser ... lts/latest

Black people were more likely to use drugs, Asian people much less.

Re: Black cyclists targeted

Posted: 16 Sep 2020, 4:43pm
by AlaninWales
thelawnet wrote:
AlaninWales wrote:
TrevA wrote:If the cyclist in question has broken the law, then the Police should charge him for the specific offence. Searching him for drugs on the pretence that “he smells of cannabis” just reinforces the tired stereotype that all young black males are drug dealers and drives a wedge between the police and the black community.

Indeed and the use of this stereotype is contradicted by the evidence: https://www.ukdpc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Policy%20report%20-%20Drugs%20and%20diversity_%20ethnic%20minority%20groups%20(policy%20briefing).pdf
UKDPC wrote:In general, overall drug use is lower among minority ethnic groups than among the White population.


Not exactly

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.ser ... lts/latest

Black people were more likely to use drugs, Asian people much less.

Well from your source, slightly further down than the first page (I wonder why):
While the chart and table show apparent differences between ethnic groups in terms of illicit drug use, the small number of respondents for some groups means only the following observations are meaningful:

Black adults were more likely to have used illicit drugs in the 12 months prior to survey, compared to all other groups except Other White

separately, Black women were more likely to have have used illicit drugs, compared to all other groups except Other White and Mixed

Asian adults, and Asian women separately, were the least likely to have used illicit drugs in the 12 months prior to survey

an estimated 11.7% of Black adults used illicit drugs in the 12 months prior to the survey, compared with 3.4% of Asian adults

an estimated 9.7% of Black women used illicit drugs in the 12 months prior to the survey, compared with 0.4% of Asian women

In truth, it's a complicated issue with many causes and interacting cultures. Much of the interpretation will depend on the identification of the different ethnicities.