Invisible indicators on new cars.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby MikeF » 18 Oct 2020, 8:47pm

Pebble wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:Although hazard lights - all indicators flashing together - are a widely used way of indicating an intention to reverse, that's not a permitted use of hazard lights. Nor is "I know I am on double yellow lines but I'll only be a minute."

Definitely for the I know 'I shouldn't be parked here' but was completely unaware it may mean an intention to reverse.
I've not noticed that either, but only as "Park anywhere lights" :roll:
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Syd » 18 Oct 2020, 8:48pm

thirdcrank wrote:Although hazard lights - all indicators flashing together - are a widely used way of indicating an intention to reverse, that's not a permitted use of hazard lights. Nor is "I know I am on double yellow lines but I'll only be a minute."

True but would you rather a vehicle, without reversing lights, simply reverses?

I rarely had need to reverse, in said Mustang, and only ever did sonslowly.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby thirdcrank » 18 Oct 2020, 9:36pm

I'm surprised that there are some who haven't seen hazards used for reversing. Perhaps this is a regional thing.

As to my preferences, I'd say that compliance with the law is best. The law has been changed occasionally to recognise usage. Drivers slowing on the approach to a hazard can use them before they are stationary. Then, whether legal or not, nothing makes it acceptable to take the line, "I'm reversing, it's up to you to get out of my way."
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PS I forgot that the regs were changed to allow hazard warning lights to be used if the crew of a bus - these days usually a lone driver - to summon assistance. Here are the current regs, with nothing about reversing:

5 Hazard warning signal device

Used other than–

(i) to warn persons using the road of a temporary obstruction when the vehicle is at rest; or
(ii )on a motorway or unrestricted dual-carriageway, to warn following drivers of a need to slow down due to a temporary obstruction ahead; or
(iii )in the case of a bus, to summon assistance for the driver or any person acting as a conductor or inspector on the vehicle.


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/198 ... on/27/made

ie other uses are prohibited

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Syd » 18 Oct 2020, 10:10pm

thirdcrank wrote:I'm surprised that there are some who haven't seen hazards used for reversing. Perhaps this is a regional thing.

As to my preferences, I'd say that compliance with the law is best. The law has been changed occasionally to recognise usage. Drivers slowing on the approach to a hazard can use them before they are stationary. Then, whether legal or not, nothing makes it acceptable to take the line, "I'm reversing, it's up to you to get out of my way”.

Where have I said I was using them in the manner of I”'m reversing, it's up to you to get out of my way”?

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby thirdcrank » 18 Oct 2020, 10:21pm

Syd wrote: ... Where have I said I was using them in the manner of I”'m reversing, it's up to you to get out of my way”?


I've no idea how you drive and I didn't intend to imply that I had. I was speaking generally about what I regularly see. Once upon a time, delivery drivers often had a mate, who who would get out and assist with reversing - act as a banksman in the lingo. Delivery drivers' mates have largely disappeared in the general cost-cutting but those who haven't no longer seem to feel it's any part of their job to assist with reversing.

However, if you use your hazards when reversing you are breaking the law but you are not alone.

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PS I presume you started doing this from what others did.

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Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Syd » 18 Oct 2020, 10:33pm

thirdcrank wrote:
Syd wrote: ... Where have I said I was using them in the manner of I”'m reversing, it's up to you to get out of my way”?


I've no idea how you drive and I didn't intend to imply that I had. I was speaking generally about what I regularly see. Once upon a time, delivery drivers often had a mate, who who would get out and assist with reversing - act as a banksman in the lingo. Delivery drivers' mates have largely disappeared in the general cost-cutting but those who haven't no longer seem to feel it's any part of their job to assist with reversing.

However, if you use your hazards when reversing you are breaking the law but you are not alone.

I used to do my best to avoid situations where I would have to reverse my Mustang but there were times where it was impossible not to.

When I was doing so I would

1. Wait until the road behind me was clear.
2. Reverse slowly, using the creep fun of the auto box, being at all times ready to stop should someone or something come along.
3. I would only reverse for the minimum possible distance.

Yes, I get it is not an appropriate use of hazard lights and I would turn them off once it became obvious, say in a three point turn, I was manoeuvring foward and backwards.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby DaveReading » 18 Oct 2020, 11:08pm

fastpedaller wrote:My wife bought a new car 4 years ago, and (down our country lanes) was impossible to drive unless we used full beam - the dipped lights were aimed at a point on the road about 5metres away! We asked the main dealer to check them and he said they were ok....Hmm. So making sure the car was level i put bits of masking tape on our garage door and adjusted the lights. ll was good for our night driving (and as 'proof' nobody approaching flashed thier light in disgust) When it had its first MOT I asked them if the adjustment was ok - "yes,spot on' they said, 'which is unusual as most cars have them set far too low from new'. I then explained the problem we'd had, and the main dealer's dismissal of our concern.

It would never have occurred to me that I ought to be able to drive along unlit country lanes using only dipped headlights.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Pebble » 19 Oct 2020, 12:16am

Syd wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:Although hazard lights - all indicators flashing together - are a widely used way of indicating an intention to reverse, that's not a permitted use of hazard lights. Nor is "I know I am on double yellow lines but I'll only be a minute."

True but would you rather a vehicle, without reversing lights, simply reverses?

I rarely had need to reverse, in said Mustang, and only ever did sonslowly.

That reminds me I had a van many many years ago (late 70s) and it either had no reversing lights or they did not work. I can distinctly remember reversing that at night with the flashers on to see where I was going.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Cunobelin » 19 Oct 2020, 6:34am

Another av=bsurd trend is "running lights"

On my Nissan, and many others, the running lights are brighter then the sidelights!

As it gets darker, you are legally required to use sidelights as opposed to running lights, yet are turning the brightness lower

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby DaveReading » 19 Oct 2020, 8:17am

Cunobelin wrote:Another av=bsurd trend is "running lights"

On my Nissan, and many others, the running lights are brighter then the sidelights!

As it gets darker, you are legally required to use sidelights as opposed to running lights, yet are turning the brightness lower

The purpose of sidelights is not to see, but to be seen. So it's reasonable to expect that they don't need to be as bright in the dark as DRLs (the clue's in the name) are in the daytime

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Pebble » 19 Oct 2020, 9:01am

DRLs should have been designed to automatically dim as conditions become duller. On a bright sunny day (when they are not needed) they are not a significant problem but in fading light they become very blinding.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby tatanab » 19 Oct 2020, 9:07am

Cunobelin wrote:On my Nissan, and many others, the running lights are brighter then the sidelights!

As it gets darker, you are legally required to use sidelights as opposed to running lights, yet are turning the brightness lower
Many many (most?) DRL systems do not switch on the rear lights.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Jdsk » 19 Oct 2020, 10:03am

tatanab wrote:DRL systems do not switch on the rear lights.

That's my biggest concern of all.

It just seems to have been missed from the studies and regulations.

Some manufacturers do.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Cowsham » 19 Oct 2020, 10:41am

Anyone bought a newish family car recently that has good indicators?

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Mick F » 19 Oct 2020, 3:07pm

Cowsham wrote:Anyone bought a newish family car recently that has good indicators?
Trouble is, with that question, how would you know?

We have a white 2014 Yaris, and unless I see another one like our's at a junction/roundabout, I would have no idea if our car is good, bad, or indifferent.
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