Invisible indicators on new cars.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby DaveReading » 19 Oct 2020, 6:53pm

Mick F wrote:
Cowsham wrote:Anyone bought a newish family car recently that has good indicators?
Trouble is, with that question, how would you know?

We have a white 2014 Yaris, and unless I see another one like our's at a junction/roundabout, I would have no idea if our car is good, bad, or indifferent.

If only there was a way to get the indicators to continue working after you've got out of the car, so you could retreat to a suitable distance and observe.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Cowsham » 19 Oct 2020, 7:09pm

DaveReading wrote:
Mick F wrote:
Cowsham wrote:Anyone bought a newish family car recently that has good indicators?
Trouble is, with that question, how would you know?

We have a white 2014 Yaris, and unless I see another one like our's at a junction/roundabout, I would have no idea if our car is good, bad, or indifferent.

If only there was a way to get the indicators to continue working after you've got out of the car, so you could retreat to a suitable distance and observe.


:lol:

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Mick F » 19 Oct 2020, 7:13pm

Just thinking about this ..................

Park somewhere quiet, and put the hazards on, and walk away and around. It could be possible to see how the indicators perform out to the sides and away away as a cyclist might see them.
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby peetee » 19 Oct 2020, 8:05pm

Mick F wrote:Just thinking about this ..................

Park somewhere quiet, and put the hazards on, and walk away and around. It could be possible to see how the indicators perform out to the sides and away away as a cyclist might see them.


For a total realistic scenario you would need someone in the car to flash main beam and lean out of the window shaking their fist and hurling abuse.
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Mick F » 19 Oct 2020, 8:10pm

:lol: :lol:

Laughing out loud here! :D
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Cowsham » 19 Oct 2020, 10:36pm

peetee wrote:
Mick F wrote:Just thinking about this ..................

Park somewhere quiet, and put the hazards on, and walk away and around. It could be possible to see how the indicators perform out to the sides and away away as a cyclist might see them.


For a total realistic scenario you would need someone in the car to flash main beam and lean out of the window shaking their fist and hurling abuse.


That'll be my wife shouting " get in the car ye ( insert endearing term of abuse ) there'll be no toilet roll left at Tesco's.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby fastpedaller » 19 Oct 2020, 11:16pm

DaveReading wrote:
fastpedaller wrote:My wife bought a new car 4 years ago, and (down our country lanes) was impossible to drive unless we used full beam - the dipped lights were aimed at a point on the road about 5metres away! We asked the main dealer to check them and he said they were ok....Hmm. So making sure the car was level i put bits of masking tape on our garage door and adjusted the lights. ll was good for our night driving (and as 'proof' nobody approaching flashed thier light in disgust) When it had its first MOT I asked them if the adjustment was ok - "yes,spot on' they said, 'which is unusual as most cars have them set far too low from new'. I then explained the problem we'd had, and the main dealer's dismissal of our concern.

It would never have occurred to me that I ought to be able to drive along unlit country lanes using only dipped headlights.

Depends whether you drive at a sensible speed or fast! With (the lights as the manufacturer set them) cars approaching it was like having no lights at all when they were dipped - To avoid danger to those approaching I didn't try them on beam :wink:

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby PDQ Mobile » 19 Oct 2020, 11:46pm

Mick F wrote:Trouble is, with that question, how would you know?

We have a white 2014 Yaris, and unless I see another one like our's at a junction/roundabout, I would have no idea if our car is good, bad, or indifferent.

Sometimes there are large windows (supermarkets etc) that act as quite reasonable mirrors. Give you an indication, maybe.
I check operation of my front lights like that. Main and dipped etc.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 20 Oct 2020, 10:41am

Hi,
peetee wrote:
Mick F wrote:Just thinking about this ..................

Park somewhere quiet, and put the hazards on, and walk away and around. It could be possible to see how the indicators perform out to the sides and away away as a cyclist might see them.


For a total realistic scenario you would need someone in the car to flash main beam and lean out of the window shaking their fist and hurling abuse.

In that case Mick only needs to get back in the car and I asked a passerby to observe :mrgreen:
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby pwa » 20 Oct 2020, 11:09am

fastpedaller wrote:
DaveReading wrote:
fastpedaller wrote:My wife bought a new car 4 years ago, and (down our country lanes) was impossible to drive unless we used full beam - the dipped lights were aimed at a point on the road about 5metres away! We asked the main dealer to check them and he said they were ok....Hmm. So making sure the car was level i put bits of masking tape on our garage door and adjusted the lights. ll was good for our night driving (and as 'proof' nobody approaching flashed thier light in disgust) When it had its first MOT I asked them if the adjustment was ok - "yes,spot on' they said, 'which is unusual as most cars have them set far too low from new'. I then explained the problem we'd had, and the main dealer's dismissal of our concern.

It would never have occurred to me that I ought to be able to drive along unlit country lanes using only dipped headlights.

Depends whether you drive at a sensible speed or fast! With (the lights as the manufacturer set them) cars approaching it was like having no lights at all when they were dipped - To avoid danger to those approaching I didn't try them on beam :wink:

Modern cars have more refined distance adjustment, usually via a little wheel thingy, to allow you to adjust the pitch of the dipped lights. When I first used the dipped headlights on our Auris on a dark lane it was set very close, but turning the little wheel on the dash set it much further down the road so that even without resorting to full beam I could see well ahead. The idea of that adjuster is that if you put a lot of heavy stuff in the boot the back of the car can drop a little and the angle of the beam can rise too high, so you adjust it down to avoid dazzle. But then when you next use the car in the dark with nothing in the boot the beam is aimed too low so you adjust it up.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby thirdcrank » 20 Oct 2020, 11:24am

Unfortunately, there's little standardisation of minor controls like that and IME, they are usually under the dash around knee level: not ideal for something you may not realise needs adjusting till you are driving down a dark road in an unfamiliar car. The counsel of perfection is to familiarise yourself with the controls before setting off, but heater/demister, rear wiper, front/rear foglamp switches and more can be a lot to go at.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby pwa » 20 Oct 2020, 12:18pm

thirdcrank wrote:Unfortunately, there's little standardisation of minor controls like that and IME, they are usually under the dash around knee level: not ideal for something you may not realise needs adjusting till you are driving down a dark road in an unfamiliar car. The counsel of perfection is to familiarise yourself with the controls before setting off, but heater/demister, rear wiper, front/rear foglamp switches and more can be a lot to go at.

True.

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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 20 Oct 2020, 12:26pm

Hi,
pwa wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:Unfortunately, there's little standardisation of minor controls like that and IME, they are usually under the dash around knee level: not ideal for something you may not realise needs adjusting till you are driving down a dark road in an unfamiliar car. The counsel of perfection is to familiarise yourself with the controls before setting off, but heater/demister, rear wiper, front/rear foglamp switches and more can be a lot to go at.

True.

Yep, put the headlight level control next to the rear electric window buttons, at knee level, and a partner insists on opening and closing rear windows :P

I think my headlights are a bit high......... :?
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Cyril Haearn » 20 Oct 2020, 12:28pm

Surely surely the legislators could require basic controls to be the same on all vehicles :?
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Re: Invisible indicators on new cars.

Postby Jdsk » 20 Oct 2020, 12:44pm

The basic controls are the same in the vast majority of cars.

But focussing on ease of safe use rather than enforced standardisation would be a good idea.

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