Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

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slowster
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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby slowster » 21 Oct 2020, 11:51am

Tangled Metal wrote:If you have it in your own house you are allowed to remove it and can arrange to take it to one of the council run waste sites. You just have to protect yourself. No specialist equipment other than PPE and something you wet it down to minimise dust.

That is because H&S legislation does not apply to private householders doing work themselves, despite the fact that the risks are the same. In the householder's favour is the probability that the task is an isolated one limited to just their own home, whereas it's repeated exposure that results in the much higher risk to contractors. I think that the risk of diseases caused by asbestos like lung cancer is largely the result of accumulated exposure, but mesothelioma is caused by as little as one asbestos fibre, so it's akin to playing russian roulettte and an extremely small percentage of people will be extremely unlucky and get it from very limited exposure.

I would be reasonably happy to remove and dispose of some corrugated asbestos sheet from the roof of an outbuilding: wetting it down, wrapping it plastic sheet as much as possible before breaking it into more manageable pieces and double bagging them, and wearing disposable PPE/RPE. If it's inside the building and is something like asbestos insulation board, and removing it is likely to result in a lot of fibres being released, that's best done by professionals with the right kit, not least the clean up afterwards to remove the fibres released during the work. 99.9% of the time it's best left in place with a warning label affixed not to disturb it.

In this particular case the ceiling collapse has forced the landlord's hand, and they have probably had to get not just the ceiling tested to determine whether it's asbestos and what type, but also much of the rest of the building, especially the parts that will be exposed by the removal of the ceiling and might themselves need to be removed and replaced as well. Given the likely age of the building, I suspect it will be the worst type of asbestos containing material. Evidently the work will take some time to complete, hence the plan to provide another shop unit for the tenant to move into while the work is done.

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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby Tangled Metal » 21 Oct 2020, 1:21pm

Do you know the proportion of WHO fibres are in a typical, mineral woo insulated loft? In case you didn't know they're the fine fibres capable of getting far enough into your respiratory system to be a probable carcinogen. That's only one category below asbestos in severity. It is only there because there's not the research to put it in there.

Mind you that same insulation is unclassified because it's an article or uses a statistical dodge allowed for under relevant technical standards for measuring fibre distributions. My former employer was one of the earlier adopters of that dodge.
Btw if you store stuff in a fibre insulated loft space be aware that those fibres persist in the atmosphere for a long time and every disturbance will send them back up. Wear a dust mask!

My point being that according to various bodies like IARC you are playing Russian roulette with a great many chemicals and materials. Many you do not realise are allowed to be used in many, many products you probably use. It's our modern world and life that's actually toxic I reckon.

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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby Tangled Metal » 21 Oct 2020, 1:27pm

Btw Chrysotile , actinolite, tremolite, amosite, etc in their raw form I think are nice looking minerals. Something about the fibrous nature I think make them more interesting than other minerals you see. Interesting structure I guess.

Am I plain weird?

slowster
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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby slowster » 21 Oct 2020, 2:29pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Do you know the proportion of WHO fibres are in a typical, mineral woo insulated loft? In case you didn't know they're the fine fibres capable of getting far enough into your respiratory system to be a probable carcinogen. That's only one category below asbestos in severity. It is only there because there's not the research to put it in there.

Mind you that same insulation is unclassified because it's an article or uses a statistical dodge allowed for under relevant technical standards for measuring fibre distributions. My former employer was one of the earlier adopters of that dodge.
Btw if you store stuff in a fibre insulated loft space be aware that those fibres persist in the atmosphere for a long time and every disturbance will send them back up. Wear a dust mask!

My point being that according to various bodies like IARC you are playing Russian roulette with a great many chemicals and materials. Many you do not realise are allowed to be used in many, many products you probably use. It's our modern world and life that's actually toxic I reckon.

The gulf between Group 1 Agents and Group 2A/2B is huge, so the fact that MMMF are 'only one category below asbestos' is not very significant. The lack of sufficient research to confirm whether MMMF in the lung are capabable of causing cancer is a red herring: its use and presence is so widespread that if it was a significant risk anywhere near comparable with asbestos, it would be apparent in the statistical disease and mortality of workers and others exposed to the material.

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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby Jdsk » 21 Oct 2020, 3:34pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Btw Chrysotile , actinolite, tremolite, amosite, etc in their raw form I think are nice looking minerals. Something about the fibrous nature I think make them more interesting than other minerals you see. Interesting structure I guess.

Am I plain weird?

No. Several ancient civilisations were fascinated by it, both the fibres and the fire resistance.

And then there's the salamander connection:
https://www.wired.com/2014/08/fantastically-wrong-homicidal-salamander/

Jonathan

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Re: Winklebury Cycles, Basingstoke, evicted

Postby basingstoke123 » 19 Dec 2020, 11:52pm

An update, although not on Winklebury Cycles, but on the local shopping parade.

A neighbouring shop has just been given 3 years notice, but can return after the centre has been redeveloped - presumably at a higher rent. Unlike a cycle shop, it is not very practical for a local newsagent to move to a different area.

https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/ne ... orced-out/

The unit next to Winklebury Cycles is already vacant. I suspect it would be difficult to find a tenant for less than 3 years.

I do find it strange that most shops, whether large national chains or a single small shop, lease instead of being owner occupiers. The Newsagent above has been a tenant for 50 years (assuming the heading is accurate) - that's long enough to have bought the shop unit twice on a mortgage or long term loan! But I don't think you can buy a shop in a shopping centre. You can buy a shopping centre (not me - I don't have £100M to loose), but not a single unit.

But the Winklebury Centre is long overdue for redeveloping.